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re: Rush has figured out why the left hates Devos so much. (semi NSFW language)
Posted on 2/8/17 at 3:22 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 2/8/17 at 3:22 pm to buckeye_vol
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this is going to "fix" the pervasive problems when the systemic issues
If gives people that could succeed in a different environment that opportunity. People that don't give a shite won't even make the effort to apply for the voucher.
Studies have shown that any program that people have to take even the slightest step to participate in, such as just filling out a form, weeds the worst of the worst out.
Also, private schools that accept vouchers are still able to have a strict discipline system so the bad kids don't make it there. It frees otherwise good kids from a cycle of shitty schools.
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Posted on 2/8/17 at 3:24 pm to CorporateTiger
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Because reform rarely comes from entrenched people who are beholden to the system.
There is a difference between not being entrenched in the system and having no idea what the system is even about.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 3:26 pm to Bench McElroy
Trust me, I think Betsy DeVos is a moron. There just isn't anything there to really reform. The Department of Education is pure bloat.
When our schools don't magically devolve into the Hunger Gemes without her department, people will be forced to admit that the department does nothing.
When our schools don't magically devolve into the Hunger Gemes without her department, people will be forced to admit that the department does nothing.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 3:30 pm to buckeye_vol
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But we've had charter schools in a lot of places, and I don't think much has changed.
On the contray, look at Delhi-Charter School compared to Delhi high school, Madison parish high, or any of the other rural northeast La school districts; or compare NOLA's public schools pre-katerina (traditional public schools) vs NOLA's public schools after Katerina (all charter). Delhi is a small rural town in northeast La where the majority of the student population is affected by the issues that you listed earlier and DCS scores are not perfect but they are way better than DHS scores, MPHS scores. NOLA's public schools are not great, but after they went all charter they are slowly but surely improving.
The reason(s) why not a lot has changed is that NOLA was the first and only major city to convert its public schools to charters, and for the last 8 years Pres Obama and the democrats have tried to destroy them by denying them funding.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 3:31 pm to WeeWee
Because she is retard and does not understand basic tenant of education.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 3:33 pm to WeeWee
quote:Well I feel like your public education in Louisiana resembles something very different than I experienced in Ohio.
On the contray, look at Delhi-Charter School compared to Delhi high school, Madison parish high, or any of the other rural northeast La school districts; or compare
So maybe it better addresses certain systemic issues, depending on the state.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 3:34 pm to Bench McElroy
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There is a difference between not being entrenched in the system and having no idea what the system is even about.
Quite trying to Sarah-Palin this woman when you don't know anything about her.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 3:42 pm to buckeye_vol
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Well I feel like your public education in Louisiana resembles something very different than I experienced in Ohio.
So maybe it better addresses certain systemic issues, depending on the state.
1. IIRC Devos favors giving more power back to the states on education.
2. That is the beauty of school choice, if a school system is a good school system it doesn't have to change, but if it a shite system then it will be forced to change or else parents will pull their kids out and send them to other schools.
3. The beauty of charter schools is that you can apply at the school level instead of the state or system level. If a school underperforms then that school's charter is revoked and given to someone else to run and the rest of the system or the rest of the state is not affected.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 3:45 pm to WeeWee
quote:Which is something I don't understand. Most of the power seems to be with the states, especially the most substantive aspects.
IIRC Devos favors giving more power back to the states on education.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 3:51 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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Because she is retard and does not understand basic tenant of education.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 3:56 pm to WeeWee
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I usually don't like Rush or his opinions
I hear people say this, but Rush's political analysis is usually very good. His schtick may be old, but he provides analysis that is excellent.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 4:21 pm to buckeye_vol
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Maybe, but some studies (Levitt from Freakonomics has a couple great ones) have shown that it's not the school, it's the parents who cared, irrespective of choice which made the difference.
It's not a shocker that that's with the data says. But what are the outliers? What are the situations where schools have outperformed the socioeconomic status of their children? Where students out performed the engagement of the parents? Can we learn anything from those outliers that we can apply to the main?
Posted on 2/8/17 at 4:23 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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Because she is retard and does not understand basic tenant of education.
This right here.
A thing of beauty.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 4:26 pm to WeeWee
Posted on 2/8/17 at 4:34 pm to Bench McElroy
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How can Betsy DeVos fix public education when she has no professional experience as a teacher or administrator of public schools
My niece is a public school teacher. She and everyone she knows despises their public school administrators. They are ignorant and incompetent.
I have been to many public schools in atlanta to meet with administrators in my role with Apple. Every single time the administrator reserved parking spot is occupied by a Mercedes, an escalade, a BMW, or some other luxury vehicle. Every single time. Luxury car surrounded by a falling down ghetto school filled with students that can barely read and do arithmetic.
I don't think we need to follow administrators as if they are an example.
If anything, we need to blow up the corrupt, failing system.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 4:34 pm to WeeWee
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I usually don't like Rush or his opinions, but he is absolutely correct. If minorities realize that it is the left and the left's ideas that are the reason for the poor education systems that do not let them escape poverty, crime, drugs etc then the left is screwed.
You can research socialism/communism and they know when an ideology can get control of the educational system and the media you control a lot of the populace...., this is where the Progs/Libs have excelled!
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:08 pm to WeeWee
Is it because she's incompetent and only was nominated because she's a Republican fundraiser?
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:10 pm to EA6B
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They want no government intrusion into the reproductive rights of women and the choice as to whether a child lives or dies, but once they decide to allow the birth of the child they believe only the government should decide how it should be educated. It's crazy!
Normally I side with conservatives on a lot of issues, but on the school voucher thing, I'm more to the right than most of you. I hate the voucher program. I hate it because it gives the Federal Government a back door into dictating to religious and privates schools in ways more than just accredidation. If these schools start taking federal money, they will get addicted to federal money and if they start doing things that the Federal government does not like, they could suffer, the money could be pulled.
Oh, you are a Catholic school and you think homosexuality is a sin? Well that's hate speech and if you continue to teach that we will pull your creds and no more voucher money for you. What you won't let boys born as girls into you're all boys school....you like that money don't you?
Surprised people on this board don't see that. I don't have nearly the same problem with charter schools under the public umbrella.
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:12 pm to fouldeliverer
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Is it because she's incompetent and only was nominated because she's a Republican fundraiser?
Whaaaaaat? No way, can't be because of that!
Posted on 2/8/17 at 5:16 pm to WeeWee
So the solution to the separate private and public systems is to spread around the federal dollars to private school?
Just how fricking stupid are you people. School choice may work in urban areas but for rural places it'll just mean less funding for their school and less oversight into the money
Just how fricking stupid are you people. School choice may work in urban areas but for rural places it'll just mean less funding for their school and less oversight into the money
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