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re: Rittenhouse day 9-Motions and jury instructions
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:21 pm to Havoc
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:21 pm to Havoc
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Wow. How the hell did the defense lose that? The judge started off sounding very clearly supporting the defense position re: the video, provocation, etc.
I'm essentially quoting myself from a few pages back when I say this...
during the trial, the judge has been very hands off and if it's a question of the jury potentially seeing something or taking a decision away from the jury... he's been for giving the jury the evidence, letting the jury be the deciding entity and not taking that away from them
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Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:21 pm to geauxskeet
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Better looking at my conservative belly button, than have my liberal head up my liberal arse.
My point is we should be doing better.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:27 pm to David_DJS
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My point is we should be doing better.
I agree. Liberals should be doing better. Glad that you acknowledged that. Look at you grow.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:29 pm to riccoar
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I agree. Liberals should be doing better. Glad that you acknowledged that. Look at you grow.
First, you're assuming I'm not conservative. You're dim.
Second, liberals have been kicking the Right's arse all over the f'n place for two years now. Yeah, they're retarded and a bunch of lying, hypocritical, anti-American assholes - but what does that make us?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:31 pm to David_DJS
I hate to, but I agree with you.
We're cowards and our messaging sucks.
We're cowards and our messaging sucks.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:32 pm to rt3
Do we live in a society where OJ and Casey Anthony roam free but Kyle Rittenhouse doesn't?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:32 pm to hogcard1964
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I hate to, but I agree with you.
We're cowards and our messaging sucks.
And it's not just messaging. We really changed the game when a large swath of the Right took the knee over Covid.
I don't mean to hijack a thread on Rittenhouse so I'll stop, but I'm guessing we're on the same team and page.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:33 pm to David_DJS
Yep, just accepted it.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:35 pm to David_DJS
Kicking the Right's arse? Doubtful. That would assume that Joe Biden actually won the election fairly, which he did not.
Liberals have been pushing for nearly 2 years to turn America into the route of Australia and NZ in relation to COVID and have failed. Only Liberals are the one's still star struck with believing every word dripping from Fauci's mouth. Everyone else has moved on.
Let's not forget Virginia and the close call in Jersey. The Right is just getting started. Mid terms are going to be even more winning for the Right.
Liberals have been pushing for nearly 2 years to turn America into the route of Australia and NZ in relation to COVID and have failed. Only Liberals are the one's still star struck with believing every word dripping from Fauci's mouth. Everyone else has moved on.
Let's not forget Virginia and the close call in Jersey. The Right is just getting started. Mid terms are going to be even more winning for the Right.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:35 pm to Adajax
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Do we live in a society where OJ and Casey Anthony roam free but Kyle Rittenhouse doesn't?
We'll find out next week.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:36 pm to rt3
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I'm essentially quoting myself from a few pages back when I say this...
during the trial, the judge has been very hands off and if it's a question of the jury potentially seeing something or taking a decision away from the jury... he's been for giving the jury the evidence, letting the jury be the deciding entity and not taking that away from them
Allowing them to view fake evidence and read into it whatever they want is not what the Judge should be doing.
This is exactly why we NEED a strict enforcement of the 2nd amendment.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:37 pm to rt3
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it's a question of the jury potentially seeing something or taking a decision away from the jury
Yeah, but they are arguing this video shows Rittenhouse aiming a gun at Ziminsky which is a provocation for the initial confrontation with Rosenbaum.
You can look at that video and not tell who it is, not tell if there is a gun there let alone being aimed, and can't show that Ziminsky is in the video.
So out of the 100 or so videos that show clearly what happened that night, the prosecution wants the entire case to hinge on this one video that does not show clearly any of what they are claiming.
Not sure how that is reasonable to admit as evidence.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:38 pm to hogcard1964
Didn’t watch today. A few thoughts though. Sometimes judges let marginal evidence in so that the proponent doesn’t have grounds to seek a mistrial. He could have had that in mind when deciding to let the doctored video in. Same thing for the jury instruction. Don’t give the state anything to base their request for a new trial on…
The judge still hasn’t ruled on that motion motion to dismiss with prejudice for when the prosecutor violated his prior evidentiary ruling. I assume he’s waiting to rule until after the jury renders a verdict…
The judge still hasn’t ruled on that motion motion to dismiss with prejudice for when the prosecutor violated his prior evidentiary ruling. I assume he’s waiting to rule until after the jury renders a verdict…
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:43 pm to Nurbis
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Yeah, but they are arguing this video shows Rittenhouse aiming a gun at Ziminsky which is a provocation for the initial confrontation with Rosenbaum.
You can look at that video and not tell who it is, not tell if there is a gun there let alone being aimed, and can't show that Ziminsky is in the video.
So out of the 100 or so videos that show clearly what happened that night, the prosecution wants the entire case to hinge on this one video that does not show clearly any of what they are claiming.
I don't know how closing arguments work, but I'd say the defense needs to point out all of the clear video shows Kyle defending himself while the one blurred video that is not definitive is what the state is hanging it's entire case on.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:43 pm to SaintsTiger
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The judge still hasn’t ruled on that motion motion to dismiss with prejudice for when the prosecutor violated his prior evidentiary ruling. I assume he’s waiting to rule until after the jury renders a verdict…
Is it normal for a judge to wait to issue a mistrial until a jury recommends a verdict he thinks is wrong? That doesn't sound right but I have no clue.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:45 pm to SUB
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mistrial
This judge has shown that he has no spine. He will accept the jury's decision regardless.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:45 pm to SUB
They're done for the day today, right?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:46 pm to hogcard1964
Rekieta doesn't think so.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:46 pm to Nurbis
quote:Except at this stage, Rosenbaum had threatened Kyle's life twice and Ziminsky brandished a gun himself. This indulgence by the judge was insane.
Yeah, but they are arguing this video shows Rittenhouse aiming a gun at Ziminsky which is a provocation for the initial confrontation with Rosenbaum.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:47 pm to BuckyCheese
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I don't know how closing arguments work, but I'd say the defense needs to point out all of the clear video shows Kyle defending himself while the one blurred video that is not definitive is what the state is hanging it's entire case on.
That's part of the problem, is the prosecution really never presented evidence/testimony to the jury as to what the blurry video is or isn't.
So, now in closing the prosecution can make the claim the blurry video shows this or that?
The judge is basically allowing the prosecution to introduce new evidence in closing, his own.
Just because a video has been introduced as evidence doesn't mean you have support to claim anything you want when its not in the record.This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 1:59 pm
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