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re: Rittenhouse day 9-Motions and jury instructions
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:34 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:34 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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The prosecutor might be bad, but he is better than the defense attorney... its ugly but he is getting what he wants.
It's the liberal MO. Same approach to politics, media, etc. Repeat the bullshite over and over, and act like that nobody told you to stfu every single time, that's tantamount to agreement that you're right. The prosecution bullied the court.
The parts of this trial I saw, the judge did not impress me. He seemed as tuned into how he was playing across the country as he was what was going on in his courtroom.
I don't think the defense ever realized they were in a war of attrition. They thought they won by TKO in round 2, and then coasted until the final bell.
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 2:36 pm
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Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:36 pm to imjustafatkid
They're too laid back.
They should have been screaming objections today at the end.
They should have been screaming objections today at the end.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:36 pm to imjustafatkid
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They better have something amazing for closing arguments if they're just going to let this crap go without a fight.
They can assert that Kyle had already had his life threatened by Rosenbaum twice at that point, and had Ziminsky point a gun at him by then.
Easy.
Judge should have never allowed it for that very reason.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:37 pm to hogcard1964
Btw, did anyone catch Kyle's face today when the judge made that ruling? He looked sick to his stomach.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:42 pm to hogcard1964
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He looked sick to his stomach.
Because he knows he's going to jail. Probably for a very long time.
The only reason? His defense, specifically Richards, fricking quit.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:42 pm to kj993
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This is a great 2 minute analysis video about how the state is lying about the enhanced video.
Sorry to link to Twitter, but it’s worth it.
Damn.
This is why the judge should have not let something so vague/nebulous in as evidence.
What a f'n shitshow.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:42 pm to kj993
Interesting video.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:42 pm to David_DJS
This is a political trial, and in a political trial the government always wins.
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:43 pm to kj993
Someone figure out a way to send that to the lawyers
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:43 pm to Centinel
Yes
It's pitiful
It's pitiful
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:44 pm to Centinel
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specifically Richards
He let his arrogance get the best of him.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:45 pm to cubsfan5150
They don't care.
It appears they may be in on it in order to quash rioting.
They totally gave it away today.
It appears they may be in on it in order to quash rioting.
They totally gave it away today.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:45 pm to David_DJS
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I don't think the defense ever realized they were in a war of attrition. They thought they won by TKO in round 2, and then coasted until the final bell.
Well, they got a stiff uppercut to the chin which wasn't even needed today.
I mean, what kind of defense attorney allows the prosecution to introduce new evidence at closing in which the prosecutor isn't even sworn in.
"hey jury, that's kyle in that video and all these people are running because he is pointing his big gun at them"
I'm not saying Kyle won't win, but his attorney is not one I would want. Kyle even knew it, you could see it on his face.
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:45 pm to hogcard1964
quote:
They're too laid back.
OR
someone got to them too.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:46 pm to kj993
Very informative video. I think it’s too late for the judge to change his mind. Could the defense play the video in closing arguments? I assume not sense it wasn’t introduced in trial. Can they talk about it in close?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:47 pm to cubsfan5150
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Someone figure out a way to send that to the lawyers
Based on a read of the judge, the way to get any message/idea to the lawyers or judge is to have it played on national TV a ton. That video/analysis should be played on Tucker Carlson and/or other news/opinion shows.
So it's Carlson and others this video needs to be sent to.
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:49 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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You could see Kyle's face, he knew it. His attorney has failed him.
The prosecution did more to bolster his claim of self defense than the defense did, and the defense's failure to protect Rittenhouse during cross did more to help the prosecution case than any evidence presented by the ADAs.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:50 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:Let me preemptively say, I don't know all the possible lesser charges in this.quote:
If Kyle is found guilty of anything, our entire nation loses. Self defense no longer has any meaning at that point.
At this point, its on the jury to figure out with common sense what judge/defense attorney are failing to clear up with proper due process.
There was a shooting at a disorderly public gathering.
Prosecution is stating:
a) Rittenhouse should not have been there
b) should not have been armed legally
c) aimed the firearm at someone, provoking a defensive response
A and, I think B, will fail. He's not from Alabama, he's from 10 miles away, this is like someone from Baker being in Baton Rouge. Different town, but only a few minutes away. State lines do not matter, it's like Florabama.
I believe they have sufficiently addressed whether he had any legal access to the rifle (he does, as I understand it).
C: did he point the gun at someone. If they can prove that, that does allow for a response; "this guy pointed a gun at my friend, and I felt he was going to shoot him, so I tackled him prior to the shooting".
I don't see how they have proven or shown that, but it's the avenue they are going with.
I guess, conversely, one could argue that Kyle, being an inexperienced and young guy, overreacted to Rosembaum, and shot him because he was intimidated (but not a threat). But I think the autopsy showed that Rosenbaum was close enough to be a threat, not merely just some dude 30 ft away and screaming. I believe it's established Rosenbaum was close when he was shot.
Sucks for the prosecution that they have to use Rosenbaum, who's been shown completely agitated, as the "hero" attempting to do this.
If they could have established that Rosenbaum was at a distance and his behavior "rattled" Rittenhouse into shooting him, I think you have a winnable case... I don't otherwise.
To me, it shows just how weak this case is, if that's what you're hanging your hat on.
But I don't see anything else to proceed with a murder charge.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:50 pm to threeputt
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Very informative video. I think it’s too late for the judge to change his mind. Could the defense play the video in closing arguments? I assume not sense it wasn’t introduced in trial. Can they talk about it in close?
I think that is the only chance the defense attorney has now. Both sides introducing new evidence at closing.
"That's kyle pointing a gun" -Prosecutor
"That's x, y, z pointing guns at Kyle" - Defense
This is insane.
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