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re: Rittenhouse day 9-Motions and jury instructions
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:02 pm to BuckyCheese
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:02 pm to BuckyCheese
I don't think it's ideal, but I think Rekieta is also being victims of the moment with their freakout.
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Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:03 pm to ShockTroop
quote:
Kyle fully acquitted = liberals lose their mind/media incites hate
Kyle is found guilty = liberals lose their mind/media incites hate
Kyle is found guilty of lesser charges = liberals lose their mind/media incites hate
This is what is wrong with America.
Also what's wrong with America -
Kyle fully acquitted = conservatives engage in omphaloskepsis
Kyle is found guilty = conservatives engage in omphaloskepsis
Kyle is found guilty of lesser charges = conservatives engage in omphaloskepsis
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:03 pm to Jcorye1
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I don't think it's ideal, but I think Rekieta is also being victims of the moment with their freakout.
It's not ideal, but should be pointed out.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:03 pm to ShockTroop
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If Kyle is convicted, he never had a chance in the first place.
IF he is convicted, what reasonable grounds would Kyle have to file an appeal? I'm certainly not a lawyer, either.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:03 pm to Jcorye1
These jury rules in other states are WILD man.
They would make a bunch of lawyers I know commit suicide.
They would make a bunch of lawyers I know commit suicide.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:05 pm to David_DJS
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omphaloskepsis
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:05 pm to Chancellor
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Also, this is just jury instructions. Defense still has directed verdict motion to go.
No.
Problem is that for the judge to allow the instruction, he has to conclude there is some degree of evidence that the jury should be afforded the opportunity to reach that legal conclusion (which, they cannot do without the instruction on the law).
By extension, the argument could be made that since the instruction was given, a "reasonable" juror could conclude there was provocation, which is all that is necessary to defeat a directed verdict.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:06 pm to BuckyCheese
Just jumping to the last page.
Wow. How the hell did the defense lose that? The judge started off sounding very clearly supporting the defense position re: the video, provocation, etc.
At a loss. I guess they can just try and clean it up on closing?
The problem with the picture/video "evidence" that I see is that is causes more questions than it resolves. Probative evidence should not do that. IOW, even if you accept that the evidence shows what it is intended, KR lifting up his rifle, it raises many questions as to:
Was it raising or pointing?
Pointing it where?
At whom?
Who saw that?
And there is NO evidence to resolve those questions.
Similar to other evidentiary tests, the probative value does not outweigh the prejudicial effect.
Wow. How the hell did the defense lose that? The judge started off sounding very clearly supporting the defense position re: the video, provocation, etc.
At a loss. I guess they can just try and clean it up on closing?
The problem with the picture/video "evidence" that I see is that is causes more questions than it resolves. Probative evidence should not do that. IOW, even if you accept that the evidence shows what it is intended, KR lifting up his rifle, it raises many questions as to:
Was it raising or pointing?
Pointing it where?
At whom?
Who saw that?
And there is NO evidence to resolve those questions.
Similar to other evidentiary tests, the probative value does not outweigh the prejudicial effect.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:07 pm to BuckyCheese
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Fatlock
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:07 pm to Havoc
Can the defense come back after lunch and fight provocation again? Or is that portion over and done with?
They just seem to think this trial is completely over and now he's going to jail for a long arse time. Maybe I'm underrating how bad this, who knows.
They just seem to think this trial is completely over and now he's going to jail for a long arse time. Maybe I'm underrating how bad this, who knows.
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:08 pm to Havoc
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The judge started off sounding very clearly supporting the defense position re: the video, provocation, etc.
That is how he starts most then talks himself out of it.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:10 pm to TDTOM
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That is how he starts most then talks himself out of it.
It's easier for him to do when the defense doesn't say shite.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:12 pm to BuckyCheese
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I don’t feel like the defense worked hard enough for Kyle.
I said this last night.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:13 pm to TDTOM
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That is how he starts most then talks himself out of it.
This. He’s definitely not the hero most are making him out to be. He scolds the prosecutors then allows their requests.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:13 pm to Jcorye1
I think they're done for the day.
Today was a huge win for the state/prosecution.
Everything previously won by the defense could have been completely crapped away today.
I have a bad feeling that he's going to jail.
Today was a huge win for the state/prosecution.
Everything previously won by the defense could have been completely crapped away today.
I have a bad feeling that he's going to jail.
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:14 pm to hogcard1964
If Chicken ever give me a TD coozie I'll ask to do a Rekieta law segment with the coozie in full view
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
Can they still do motions for directed verdict or are they done for the day?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:19 pm to BuckyCheese
It's the cool way of saying navel gazing. Like Trump, I had to look it up.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:19 pm to BuckyCheese
It's the cool way of saying navel gazing. Like Trump, I had to look it up.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:20 pm to David_DJS
quote:
Also what's wrong with America -
Kyle fully acquitted = conservatives engage in omphaloskepsis
Kyle is found guilty = conservatives engage in omphaloskepsis
Kyle is found guilty of lesser charges = conservatives engage in omphaloskepsis
Better looking at my conservative belly button, than have my liberal head up my liberal arse.
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