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Rep Chip Roy drops a nuke on socialists in congress
Posted on 5/18/19 at 11:07 am
Posted on 5/18/19 at 11:07 am
This was at a hearing on drug prices and Dems were just bitching about how much the ceos made.... Chip goes OFF
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Posted on 5/18/19 at 11:37 am to Lsujacket66
Meh. No reason Americans should be paying 2000% more for the same exact medication.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 11:48 am to MileHighDraw
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No reason Americans should be paying 2000% more for the same exact medication.
We’re paying for the lion’s share of R&D and we’re the only ones willing to do that. Medical R&D stalls globally if we stop paying.
The only way medicine can continue to advance at its current rate and for the US to pay less is for everyone else in the world to pay more. The rest of the world has made it clear they’re not willing to do that and only want to ride in our wake - the bird up front flies the hardest.
This post was edited on 5/18/19 at 11:56 am
Posted on 5/18/19 at 11:57 am to MileHighDraw
quote:Unless America has like %2000 greater supply of money.
Meh. No reason Americans should be paying 2000% more for the same exact medication.
Supply/Demand sets prices, including supply of money. It's why artificial minimum wages cause inflation. The minimum wage increase simply increases the supply of money available for spending on the same number of goods/services.
So, if there is a greater supply of money in America than, Ethiopia for instance, prices will be higher here than there for everything. Nobody complains that we are a wealthy nation, until they look at the prices we pay compared to poorer nations.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:04 pm to Lsujacket66
I guess Eliza Cummings doesn't know the cost of research and development...
Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:31 pm to MileHighDraw
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Meh. No reason Americans should be paying 2000% more for the same exact medication.
That was kind of his point, these are the things they should’ve been discussing, not whether pharma companies should make a profit and pay their CEOs
Posted on 5/18/19 at 1:07 pm to Lsujacket66
I wonder what democrats would think would be the result if the government said they retain complete control of all findings and rights from research they have provided grants for.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 1:48 pm to Lsujacket66
And,...the real travesty is...this Committee will do absolutely nothing except talk...then adjourn....and then vote themselves a raise.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 2:00 pm to MileHighDraw
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Meh. No reason Americans should be paying 2000% more for the same exact medication.
Thanks man..
Posted on 5/18/19 at 2:11 pm to Colonel Flagg
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I wonder what democrats would think would be the result if the government said they retain complete control of all findings and rights from research they have provided grants for.
We’d still send hundreds of millions on research at NIH while drug companies would simultaneously spend more in their research divisions. The end result being even higher drug costs.
I don’t have a problem with Katie Hill asking for them to explain their drug valuation when taking into account government funded resources. That’s a legitimate question.
Roy is right too. They’re a business that creates lifesaving drugs but they’re also a business. Instead of grandstanding on how evil these companies are for making $2,100/mo. drugs, Democrats’ questions should sound more like Cummings thinks they sound in his fantasy world. One simple question would work. “How much did you company spend to develop this drug?”
If Rep. Hill is upset regarding CEO salaries, my advice is the same to anyone who is upset over another person’s salary, find out what path they took and follow it. Maybe you can be that successful too one day.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 2:20 pm to MileHighDraw
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No reason Americans should be paying 2000% more for the same exact medication.
If the world respected the intellectual property of drug companies, that cost would be shared across the globe instead of being borne by Americans alone.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 2:33 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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We’re paying for the lion’s share of R&D and we’re the only ones willing to do that. Medical R&D stalls globally if we stop paying.
Then we should reap the benefits of that somehow. Absolutely no reason drug companies should be allowed to use Americans to subsidize drugs for the rest of the world.
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The rest of the world has made it clear they’re not willing to do that and only want to ride in our wake - the bird up front flies the hardest.
Then the rest of the world shouldn’t have those drugs available to them until they are willing to pay what Americans pay.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 2:36 pm to troyt37
Trump's approach to them military wise was we stop defending you unless you pay your share,why not?
Pay up or screw you.
Pay up or screw you.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 3:55 pm to Sidicous
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So, if there is a greater supply of money in America than, Ethiopia for instance, prices will be higher here than there for everything. Nobody complains that we are a wealthy nation, until they look at the prices we pay compared to poorer nations.
And that is why the price should be the same everywhere. It is a product and costs XXX to produce, it should not be sold to a poor country for less because those people are poor.
Gasoline does not cost less in the west end of town.
If they cant afford it, too bad. Worms need to eat too.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 4:32 pm to antibarner
Their is a massive scam in the medical field and the R&D sectors of big Pharm and Academia in general. It is true what others have said in that the cost off R&D on these drugs is massive. The question is why? The fact is that aspect does not need to be that high and I worked in that area, so I know what I am taking about. When there is massive markups of sometimes 1000% on every step, then the price will stay high.
Still, places like Canada and Mexico as well as Europe should not be getting discounts.
Still, places like Canada and Mexico as well as Europe should not be getting discounts.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 4:48 pm to Colonel Flagg
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I wonder what democrats would think would be the result if the government said they retain complete control of all findings and rights from research they have provided grants for.
The NIH should recover grant money and a fair share of the profits from something they paid to develop or contributed to. That money can then be plowed back into the next research and development. There does not appear to be a mechanism for that.
"The NIH chipped in billions in research funding
More than $100 billion in NIH funding went toward research that contributed, either directly or indirectly, to the 210 drugs approved between 2010 and 2016. That’s roughly 20 percent of NIH spending since 2000.
And of those 210 drugs, 84 were first-in-class drugs, meaning they treat disease through novel mechanisms or molecular targets. More than $64 billion in NIH funding was poured into research that ultimately contributed to the development of those drugs."
Posted on 5/18/19 at 5:50 pm to Lsujacket66
CEO pay is determined by a board, not by the CEO
High CEO pay is the chief draw a company has to get talented individuals to helm their company.
The time, talent, knowledge, and targeted ability it takes to be a CEO is exponentially greater than the average worker of any multi-billion dollar company. the fact that the average CEO makes 100x what his median employee makes seems like the CEO's are not being paid enough in accordance to their skillset and responsibility
High CEO pay is the chief draw a company has to get talented individuals to helm their company.
The time, talent, knowledge, and targeted ability it takes to be a CEO is exponentially greater than the average worker of any multi-billion dollar company. the fact that the average CEO makes 100x what his median employee makes seems like the CEO's are not being paid enough in accordance to their skillset and responsibility
Posted on 5/18/19 at 5:52 pm to Auburn1968
If the NIH wants return on their monies, they should not issue them as grants.
Once grant money is paid, it is no longer a government asset
Once grant money is paid, it is no longer a government asset
Posted on 5/18/19 at 7:52 pm to Lsujacket66
Drug companies have an expense I haven't seen mentioned in the other posts. Class action lawsuits. Yes, some are warranted, but many others seem to be nothing more than lawyer enrichment hoaxes.
While drug companies aren't their only target (Monsanto & Roundup say hello), I see drug lawsuits advertised more than all others combined.
While drug companies aren't their only target (Monsanto & Roundup say hello), I see drug lawsuits advertised more than all others combined.
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