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re: Remember the Epstein victim who died by suicide 2 months ago? Virginia Giuffre.

Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:30 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:30 pm to
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, and has to go into witness protection, will there ever be a day that the informant can just walk around his old neighborhood again and resume his old life? I mean, whatever damage he could do was maybe ten years ago, right? So, there's no point in executing him now since it'll just draw unnecessary attention, right?

That threat exists to scare future potential snitches.

You do understand why that analogy doesn't work here, right?

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G dying increases the chances that more of them will keep their mouth shut. That's just common sense.


Clearly you don't understand why the analogy doesn't work.

It would have been quite helpful had this killing scared off victims BEFORE he and Maxwell were indicted (and Maxwell convicted).
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:33 pm to
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We know that Clinton and Prince Andrew were actually named.

Clinton wasn't really named. That was the point.

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The two perjury counts stem from this deposition in the Virginia Roberts Giuffre case. Giuffre has alleged that Epstein and Maxwell trafficked her to powerful men when she was a minor, including Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz.

Yeah she had to walk this back after she sued Dersh and he counter-claimed her.

She had to walk back a lot of the outlandish stuff she said.

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I'm sure, as an attorney, you know she gave affidavits and testimony in both and she also was interviewed by our government for both criminal cases. Which deposition are you specifically talking about?


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I'm sure, as an attorney, you know she gave affidavits and testimony in both and she also was interviewed by our government for both criminal cases. Which deposition are you specifically talking about?


It's in the fricking link

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Giuffre took the deposition for a civil lawsuit she brought against Ghislaine Maxwell
Posted by TutHillTiger
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Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:53 pm to
I am really surprised Maxwell is still alive, I imagine she will die of a heart attack soon enough
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 7/8/25 at 9:56 pm to
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:03 pm to
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I am really surprised Maxwell is still alive, I imagine she will die of a heart attack soon enough


The lack of victims coming forward with the CT claims is the biggest issue with the CTs

The 2nd issue is what you posted. Maxwell being alive doesn't make any sense.
Posted by Bayoutigre
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Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:44 pm to
in protective custody,like jeffery
Posted by dafif
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:20 am to
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It's in the fricking link

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Giuffre took the deposition for a civil lawsuit she brought against Ghislaine Maxwell


You still did not explain....

1. Deposition given in Maxwell case
2. Discovery/deposition in Epstein case
3. Discovery/deposition in Prince Andrew case
4. Discvoery/affidavits/deposition in Maxwell criminal case.
5. Discovery/depositions in the case against Dershowitz

Forget almost all of that, there is also the Florida Epstein case where we have most of the documents.

For God's sake, man...she placed Clinton on the island when she was being passed around and there were other girls there.

I can imagine you just not bothering to get any financial information during your handling of a divorce to not even address these issues. You really are quite pathetic,

See this article:

LINK

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The documents also bring fresh scrutiny to Prince Andrew, a longtime friend of Epstein who said he cut ties with him in 2010. Another Doe whose name was unredacted was Johanna Sjoberg, one of Epstein's victims who previously said the prince fondled her at his Manhattan mansion.


Explain why these records are sealed??

Explain where is the complete investigation into at least 5 girls and Prince Andrew? Are there others? At least 2 mentioned Andrew and both are dead.

As the article states:
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Sigrid McCawley, an attorney for Giuffre at the law firm Boies Schiller Flexner, told BI the newly unsealed documents helped explain "how Epstein operated his vast, global sex trafficking enterprise and got away with it for decades," which "resulted in unspeakable harm and devastation to the lives of countless girls and young women."


So.. a vast global sex trafficking enterprise that only involved epstein.. that is what our government just told us.
This post was edited on 7/9/25 at 6:33 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:29 am to
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You still did not explain....

1. Deposition given in Maxwell case
2. Discovery/deposition in Epstein case
3. Discovery/deposition in Prince Andrew case
4. Discvoery/affidavits/deposition in Maxwell criminal case.
5. Discovery/depositions in the case against Dershowitz


None of these implicated a larger conspiracy and most of the evidence did the opposite. This information has been out in the public for years now and nobody's been able to make it into something bigger.

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For God's sake, man...she placed Clinton on the island

And specifically offered no corroboration to any impropriety and even dismissed Maxwell's bragging about being close to Clinton

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I can imagine you just not bothering to get any financial information during your handling of a divorce to not even address these issues. You really are quite pathetic,




We deal in evidence. You've yet to provide any and keep telling me to do research that I've already done and you apparently haven't, and you're using your ignorance of what is actually in public to project inaccurate conclusions.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:32 am to
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See this article:

LINK

Explain why these records are sealed??


Because the vast majority of the names are witnesses or victims. Did you read it?

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The names include some powerful people tied to Epstein. But the list also includes the identities of some of his victims, household staff, and other people whose names incidentally came up in the course of a long-running court case between Virginia Roberts Giuffre and Maxwell. In court documents, these people were previously identified as John or Jane Does.

One of the Does, for example, previously identified as "J. Doe 005" in court documents, is Carolyn Andriano. Andriano testified against Maxwell at her criminal trial, describing in excruciating detail how she trafficked her to Epstein for sex beginning when she was 14 years old. She said in court that Epstein engaged in sexual activity with her more than 100 times and that he said she was "too old" for him after she turned 18.

Andriano testified using only her first name but gave her full name in an interview with the Daily Mail after the trial. The judge who ordered her name to be unsealed cited that interview as a reason to now make her name public in the earlier court documents. Andriano, a 36-year-old mother of five, died of an apparent overdose in May, The Daily Beast reported.

Another previously sealed name, "Doe 185," is Courtney Wild. She led a legal battle to invalidate Epstein's controversial 2007 plea deal with federal prosecutors and has given multiple media interviews about her experience with Epstein.

Two other Does — 63 and 64 — are Annie and Maria Farmer, two sisters who have accused Epstein of sexual abuse. Annie Farmer testified at Maxwell's trial, and both have given media interviews about their experience.

Out of the more than 170 anonymous Does whose names were scheduled to be unsealed Wednesday, two received extensions allowing them to continue fighting in court to remain anonymous.

One of them, "Doe 107," is also one of Epstein's victims, whose lawyer has argued in court filings that she should be able to keep her privacy. The identity of the other, "Doe 110," is not yet clear.


Also note: all of those girls only talk about abuse by Epstein.
Posted by dafif
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:35 am to
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As the article states:
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Sigrid McCawley, an attorney for Giuffre at the law firm Boies Schiller Flexner, told BI the newly unsealed documents helped explain "how Epstein operated his vast, global sex trafficking enterprise and got away with it for decades," which "resulted in unspeakable harm and devastation to the lives of countless girls and young women."


So.. a vast global sex trafficking enterprise that only involved epstein.. that is what our government just told us.


And yet you only focus on the one girl and not the other victims and what about the investigation into Andrew? Where is it? Are there not "facts" and "evidence" he was involved?

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Also note: all of those girls only talk about abuse by Epstein.


That is literally not true.... see above...
This post was edited on 7/9/25 at 6:37 am
Posted by Schleynole
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:39 am to
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Also note: all of those girls only talk about abuse by Epstein.


Do you think Epstein was deep state?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:45 am to
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And yet you only focus on the one girl and not the other victims and what about the investigation into Andrew? Where is it? Are there not "facts" and "evidence" he was involved?

The fact Andrew was named logically hurts the allegations about a larger conspiracy.

If "they" exist, they would have never let one out. Just like how Maxwell was allowed to live and hasn't flipped, etc.

I would not be shocked to find out there were a handful of other guys who partied with Epstein who had sex with minors. That doesn't prove a global conspiracy of blackmail or implicate anyone specifically. But, other than Andrew, we have nothing to base that on.

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That is literally not true.... see above...

Where in that quote were others mentioned?

We know that Epstein and Maxwell ran a vast international network for a long period of time where they trafficked girls to be abused by Epstein and Maxwell.

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"The public interest must still be served in learning more about the scale and scope of Epstein's racket to further the important goal of shutting down sex trafficking wherever it exists and holding more to account," she said. "The unsealing of these documents gets us closer to that goal."


You can see it in this quote. The unsealing of those documents only pointed more fingers at Epstein in isolation.

Also note: attorney puffery is not evidence.

You're grasping without evidence and, as I said earlier, using your ignorance of the evidence to fill that void with inaccuracies that you proclaim is the same thing as evidence. That's not how this works. That's CT "logic".
Posted by Willie Stroker
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:46 am to
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Yeah, and so did Epstein

But they left Ghislaine Maxwell?

And Epstein had a prior suicide attempt 2-3 weeks earlier that was widely publicized. He was found semiconscious in the same facility and never claimed it wasn’t a suicide attempt.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:46 am to
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Do you think Epstein was deep state?

Most seem to think he was an Israeli asset which precludes that association.

So it's not that I don't think he's "Deep State", but the general consensus on Epstein now is that he's not "Deep State"
Posted by Schleynole
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:49 am to
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general consensus on Epstein now is that he's not "Deep State"


My goodness, I didn't ask the general consensus. What do you think?

Was he Mossad or CIA or something else?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:52 am to
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My goodness, I didn't ask the general consensus. What do you think?

Was he Mossad or CIA or something else?


At this point, I don't know.

A week ago I would have leaned Israeli asset.

I don't think Trump, Kash, Bongino, etc. are that compromised to make themselves look like complete retards, though.

I never bought in to the vastness of the conspiracy. I mean you had lunatics trying to link the Chief Justice John Roberts to Epstein without a shred of evidence.
This post was edited on 7/9/25 at 6:53 am
Posted by SingleMalt1973
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:53 am to
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died by suicide


Posted by Schleynole
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:06 am to
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I don't think Trump, Kash, Bongino, etc. are that compromised to make themselves look like complete retards, though.


Those 2 already look like complete retards. They built their brand on having inside information about Epstein and knowing there was a list from their "sources". THey are either retarded then or retarded now but def in over their head.

I don't think Acosta was lying when he said that Epstein was above his paygrade and that he was giving a sweet deal because he was intelligence.

If he's not intelligence that brings up even more questions, especially about his money
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:11 am to
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Those 2 already look like complete retards. They built their brand on having inside information about Epstein and knowing there was a list from their "sources". THey are either retarded then or retarded now but def in over their head.


Building brands as partisan grifters with a retarded funding base is different than actually having to run a government.

There is a distinct pattern with Trump appointments following this exact same pattern for a reason. They don't all get compromised once in DC. They were bullshitting prior to being in DC.

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Acosta was lying when he said that Epstein was above his paygrade

We're citing the Daily Beast on here now?

Here is the front page

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If he's not intelligence that brings up even more questions, especially about his money

Guys who are really good at math who have no morals can make a lot of money in finance.
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:14 am to
That or a small airport.
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