re: Remember the Epstein victim who died by suicide 2 months ago? Virginia Giuffre.

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Nobody mentioned Clinton

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Have you been under a rock the last several years? Oh no... that's right... You've been glued to MSDNC for all your current events and politics.

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Ah, this is one of those times where people make shite up and argue against a fantasy.

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Did a light bulb just turn on?

I'm not trying to throw salt on the speculation here and I agreed back when it happened that it was suspicious, but...

Wasn't it already pretty well accepted that Guiffre was suffering from terrible health problems and it really did look like she opted out to spare herself from the suffering? Didn't we already go over this, or am I imagining things?

ETA: Damn. Clearly, the thread wasn't ready for me to rip the tinfoil hat off. This place is allergic to facts sometimes.

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Wasn't it already pretty well accepted that Guiffre was suffering from terrible health problems and it really did look like she opted out to spare herself from the suffering? Didn't we already go over this, or am I imagining things?

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You are not. She was also suffering from psychological and emotional issues due to the abuse.

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iterally not a single one of the girls claimed that

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There are supposedly thousands of girls, how many have we heard from?

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How fricking hard is it for you people to accept that Maxwell recruiting and grooming young girls for Epstein is a crime and that Epstein paying them for happy ending massages and sex is also a crime?

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I think more than massages for epstein was going on.

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Maybe these girls were pimped out to hundreds of politicians, CEOs, actors, etc.

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This is obviously the argument and only you and slow pro think Epstein was the only male involved.

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There are supposedly thousands of girls, how many have we heard from?

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THAT is the question.

Why have none stepped forward?

Plenty have stepped forward to name Epstein alone, but none have stepped forward to describe this trafficking network....and as you said we're talking about "thousands". A much smaller population has had several public accusers, but the larger population in the thousands can't find one?

yes, she said repeatedly she wasn't suicidal if anything should happen to her.

Is that a bus station Bill is at?

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Then why are all the others walking around safely?

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How do you know they are?

A few of your quotes in this thread re: why someone might still kill VG:

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What? How? (in response to someone saying, "That’s called a loose end.")

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She has literal testimony on record that anyone can go read online. That's why all of these CTs about her being killed make no sense.

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Her role in this whole endeavor ended years ago. She was no longer a "loose end"

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Yeah this talking point is dumb and made by people who don't know the actual facts

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Why would they off her?

Seems to be a lot more damaging to kill her, at this point.

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The motive for someone wanting to kill VG-- despite her having provided all the testimony she was likely to provide years ago-- can be understood very simply by way of analogy...

If, say, a mobster turns informant on a dangerous mob known for killing people (probably more true of Mexican gangs these days than the trad NY mobs... but that's a different topic), and has to go into witness protection, will there ever be a day that the informant can just walk around his old neighborhood again and resume his old life? I mean, whatever damage he could do was maybe ten years ago, right? So, there's no point in executing him now since it'll just draw unnecessary attention, right?

The underlined part is essentially your position in this thread. In this context, I'm sure it looks stupid. The idea that if an informant keeps their head down for ten years they won't need witness protection anymore seems dumb to me. It is nevertheless your position.

In the real world, it isn't at all unreasonable to know (without evidence) that the informant has a high likelihood of meeting a bad end if he ever (even 10 or 20 years in the future) returns to his old hood for two reasons:

1) The mob will want to follow through on their threat to kill the informant as a matter of maintaining discipline and fear in everyone in their organization and turf.

2) The mob will want to send a message to other potential informants that it doesn't matter how long it takes, they will never be safe again.


Based on common reporting, without getting overly conspiratorial, there is a reasonable possibility of other Epstein victims being out there-- whether or not they were victimized by Epstein alone or others. VG dying increases the chances that more of them will keep their mouth shut. That's just common sense.

Whether or not VG committed suicide (I'm open to that possibility), her constant declaration that she's not suicidal is a tacit suggestion that other dangerous people/entities (Clinton, mossad, cia, whoever) might still be operating and looking to clean up "loose ends".

Your semantic rigidity (in this case, being unable to think beyond a limited perspective of "loose ends") seems to get in your way of being able to think sometimes. There is a reason people mock you so much and it isn't because you're right and they're ignorant.

And to be absolutely clear, I repeat: I am open to the possibility that Giuffre committed suicide. I just don't see why other possibilities should be ruled out at this time.