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re: Rand Paul says the true cost of the tariffs is $2 trillion in taxes

Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:26 pm to
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9062 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:26 pm to
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t's already been shown that foreign manufacturers are eating most of the tariffs.


Please link data that shows that foreign manufacturers are eating most of the tariffs. The analysis I've seen so far is around 20-30% are but this just came from Goldman

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Goldman Sachs estimates U.S. consumers now shoulder two-thirds of President Trump’s new tariff costs, with more companies planning to pass them on in the future and foreign exporters refusing to “eat” the price hikes. The bank expects the measures to lift core PCE inflation (personal consumption expenditures) to 3.2% by year-end, adding pressure to the Fed’s 2% target.


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Economist Elsie Peng wrote in a note yesterday seen by Fortune that Goldman believes exporters absorbed 14% of the costs of all tariffs in June, which will rise to 25% by October if the sanctions follow a similar trajectory to the price hikes administered by the Trump administration in his first term.


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But the portion consumers can expect to pay is also on the rise. Peng noted that around 36% of the 2025 tariff costs were passed on to consumer prices after three months of implementation and around 67% were passed on after four months.

The economist added that “although the pass-through rate appears to be increasing rapidly over time, it still remains somewhat below the pass-through rate that we estimate at the same point in time during the 2018–2019 trade war.”

One portion of the economy that intends to reduce its share is U.S. businesses. The Conference Board released its U.S. CEO Confidence report for the third quarter last week, which revealed 64% are certain they would be passing the price hike on to consumers, and a further 16% said they’re still considering.



Posted by LSUAlum2001
Stavro Mueller Beta
Member since Aug 2003
48195 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:28 pm to
Politicians will see it as $2 trillion more to spend.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
89066 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:29 pm to
Why can’t anyone outside of MAGA talk about this subject with any honesty?
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
28149 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:31 pm to
Is the price of everything going up in the room with us right now?
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
17341 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:32 pm to
Maybe he’s not correct in his Arithmetic since he’s obviously just using grade school math
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
6669 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:36 pm to
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Has either him or his Dad ever been Pro anything.


Pro peace
Pro sound monetary policy
Pro spending cuts
Pro common sense drug policy
Pro life
Pro military spending cuts
Pro ending FISA
Pro liberty


I’ve listed eight off the top of my head. Would you like more?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297985 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:39 pm to
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Please link data that shows that foreign manufacturers are eating most of the tariffs. The analysis I've seen so far is around 20-30% are but this just came from Goldman


Smaller companies cannot eat tariffs.

Tariffs are a gift to BigCorp.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16095 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:39 pm to
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It's already been shown that foreign manufacturers are eating most of the tariffs.


No it hasn’t

Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
43974 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:39 pm to
I used to be a big Rand Paul fan but he is really starting to piss me off. Tariffs are legitmate taxes. Income taxes are theft (even if Congress has the ability to tax using the 16th Amendment). I would rather pay $1,000,000 per year in tariff costs than $0.01 in income taxes.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
9972 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:40 pm to
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I see seldom seen is still melting like a woman over MUH TARIFFS


TDS Liberaltarians gonna' TDS Liberaltarian.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
9972 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:40 pm to


Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9062 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:43 pm to
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Smaller companies cannot eat tariffs


quote:

riffs are a gift to BigCorp.


Even the Big Corps cannot and will not sustain it long term. Any discussion that points to current conditions and thinks seee.....the Panicans were wrong about tarrifs....are morons.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297985 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:44 pm to
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Even the Big Corps cannot and will not sustain it long term.


Correct.

But they can long enough to bury a lot of mom and pop operations.
Posted by MizzouBS
Missouri
Member since Dec 2014
6780 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:47 pm to
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For what it's worth, I'm cool with the tariffs. About time we stop allowing this one way street.

My daughter’s medication is made in Sweden and Belgium. The injection pen is made in Belgium. The needles and pen are free and we get a new pen every 3 to 4 months. After the European tariffs deal was made without notice on 8/5 Phizer announced they stopped making pens in their Belgium plant. Belgium is a country we have a surplus with

In Europe they use a different style of pen that has not been approved by the FDA. The new pen should be approved in 3 to 6 and will take another 6 months to ramp up production.

Dr said today that she is trying to find a new medication for 120 of her patients. There is one that is made in China and another in Malaysia that the FDA has approved, but not all insurance cover the medication. The medication made in Malaysia is our best bet, but it is about 3 times more expensive. Without insurance it would be over $120,000 year. I’m not even sure I trust medication made in China or Southeast Asia.

Tariffs are not “cool”. We don’t make certain types or we have to import the supples to make the medication.

This is the 2nd time we have had a shortage. The medication we used was made NC, but the plant shut down. They made an older style that was not as effective and was too expensive to make. That is one of the reasons we had to start using a product from Europe
This post was edited on 8/11/25 at 3:54 pm
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9062 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:47 pm to
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But they can long enough to bury a lot of mom and pop operations.


Fair point.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297985 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:49 pm to
Buying cheap foreign components, adding value and creating profit is an American tradition.

I'll never understand why these baws want those opportunities denied.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16095 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:49 pm to
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Even the Big Corps cannot and will not sustain it long term.


Exactly

There are a few exceptions but Large companies have shareholders to answer to and it’s not in shareholders best interest to shrink margins by eating higher tax costs.

As a shareholder, if the ceo declared that they were going to eat the tarriffs (shrink their margins), without a clear reason as to why, I would vote to have that ceo fired.

It is not in business best interest to shrink margins by eating the tarriffs
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53977 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:50 pm to
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I see seldom seen is still melting like a woman over MUH TARIFFS


I've yet to notice any significant rise in the consumer products I have purchased since the tariffs were enacted.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18889 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:50 pm to
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It amazes me that people do not understand this. They will when the price of everything goes up. And do not think Made in the USA will be a bargain because they will do the same, not because they have to, but to make that extra profit.


Japanese car manufacturers reduced their price to American importers, giving them the extra margin to pay the tariff (the wholesaler paid WITH JAPANESE MANUFACTURER MONEY). The wholesaler could maintain his margin AND offer the consumer the same retail.

Second, the only industries that can gouge on pricing are oligarchy industries (where there are only limited suppliers) and the tariffs are very high, like steel, aluminum and copper. The govt can easily intervene in these industries.

Ive been in the international trade business for decades, I didnt learn trade economics from CNN, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn many times
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
25244 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:56 pm to
What is the true cost of having all of our production in other countries?
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