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re: Rama Duwaji, wife of Mamdani, is making some very ludicrous claims about Jesus' mother.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 1:17 pm to BugAC
Posted on 7/9/26 at 1:17 pm to BugAC
You are right, I really do not care much. The nuts and bolts of this debate is for scholars. To me, this is just a discussion and this is what I believe I know.
Palestine is a larger area than many in this discussion are giving it credit for. Maybe not you, but many are. The area of Palestine was first named Palestet, by the Egyptians. Caanan was not the entirety of Palestet, but was part of it. Entymology tells us that Palestine's origin is Palestet. Philistine also came from Palestet. Romans included Palestine in the name of the area, but after the death of Mary. Now we want to spit hairs here, you are right, it was not offically named Palestine at the time of Mary, by those who controlled it, but the Greeks in Egypt at the time still called it Palestine.
Palestine is a larger area than many in this discussion are giving it credit for. Maybe not you, but many are. The area of Palestine was first named Palestet, by the Egyptians. Caanan was not the entirety of Palestet, but was part of it. Entymology tells us that Palestine's origin is Palestet. Philistine also came from Palestet. Romans included Palestine in the name of the area, but after the death of Mary. Now we want to spit hairs here, you are right, it was not offically named Palestine at the time of Mary, by those who controlled it, but the Greeks in Egypt at the time still called it Palestine.
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Posted on 7/9/26 at 1:21 pm to Rip Torner
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Well genius if Jews were named after Judea AND Judah then those origins greatly predate any vague references to a land called Palestine. Unless you are trying to argue that Palestine existed 4000 years ago on maps which is laughable. You fools can’t get out of your own way and the Muslim references of Palestine didn’t exist until the 7th century AD when Islam originated. Any Roman references are foolish because the Romans renamed conquered territories quite frequently
You are not disagreeing with me. You are disagreeing with the history paper I linked to you. Take it up with them my man. I am sure they will edit the paper.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 1:21 pm to BoarEd
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BoarEd
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Early Roman awareness: Romans knew the Greek term Palaestina (from Herodotus and other Greek writers) as a geographic reference to the coastal area of the southern Levant (associated with the ancient Philistines). They used it occasionally in literature before the 2nd century CE, but it was not the official administrative name.
Official Roman usage: After suppressing the Bar Kokhba revolt (132–136 CE), Emperor Hadrian renamed the province of Judea to Syria Palaestina (Syrian Palestine).
This made "Palestine" the formal provincial name for the territory that included Judea, Samaria, Galilee (Nazareth), and surrounding areas.
The change was widely interpreted as a punitive measure to sever the Jewish connection to the land (replacing "Judea" with a name linked to the Philistines, traditional enemies of the Jews).
Timeline Summary
Before 135 CE: Official name = Judea (Province of Judaea). "Palestine" was a secondary geographic term.
135 CE onward: Official name = Syria Palaestina.
The name persisted through the Byzantine period (as Palaestina Prima, Secunda, etc.) and into later eras.
So if you are referring to the Greeks, yes they called it Palestine. But the Greeks did not control the territory. So it really doesnt' matter what the Greeks thought. That would be like Argentina having a say in the boundaries between North and South Dakota.
It was called Judea by the territory owners, Rome until 135 CE, and then renamed Palestine as punishment for the Jewish revolt.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 1:24 pm to BugAC
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It's funny that when presented with an argument you can't defend, you double down on insults.
Because I've already proven my point and don't need to say anything more.
1. The Palestinians and the Philistines were the same people no matter how much you deny it.
2. By even the Roman cartographers of the time the region was known as Palestine.
No matter what you say about any other aspect of this, the fact that you either don't understand these things or refuse to acknowledge them earns you those insults.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 1:28 pm to BugAC
To sum up, yes, the Palestinians were the Philistines. Yes, 500 years before Jesus was ever born the region was known as Palestine, and not just by Herodotus, but by everyone whose job it was to make frickin maps and record histories. Yes, shortly after Jesus died the region was officially renamed Palestine keeping it in line with how it had been known for 600 years at this point. And yes, the specific place where Jesus was born sits in modern day Palestine.
Anyone who cannot see that Mary and Jesus were Palestinian Jews is wilfully ignorant.
Anyone who cannot see that Mary and Jesus were Palestinian Jews is wilfully ignorant.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 1:36 pm to BoarEd
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1. The Palestinians and the Philistines were the same people no matter how much you deny it.
I haven't denied it. Not sure where you pulled that from. The Jews were never considered Philistines nor Palestinians. Ergo, your point is moot.
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2. By even the Roman cartographers of the time the region was known as Palestine.
It was not. It was known by the Roman empire as JUDEA. They appointed Herod King of JUDEA. If he was King of Palestine he would have been referenced as King of Palestine at least 1 point in history. But he never was. He was made King by the Romans.
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No matter what you say about any other aspect of this, the fact that you either don't understand these things
I understand what you are contending. But you are flat out incorrect and are trying to lie about it now.
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1. Roman Administrative Records & Historians
The Roman province was officially called Judaea (Judea) from 6 CE onward. At its height, it explicitly included Galilee, Samaria, Judea proper, Idumea, and Perea.
After Herod the Great’s death (4 BCE), the kingdom was divided, but by 44 CE (under Emperor Claudius), Galilee was formally incorporated into the Roman province of Judaea.
2. Primary Source: Flavius Josephus
Josephus (37–c. 100 CE), a Jewish-Roman historian who lived through this period and served as a general in Galilee during the Jewish Revolt (66–70 CE), consistently treats Galilee as part of the broader province/territory of Judea:
In The Jewish War and Antiquities of the Jews, he describes Galilee as one of the regions within the area governed under Roman Judean administration (directly or via client rulers).
He refers to events in Galilee as occurring within the context of Roman rule over Judea.
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3. Biblical Corroboration (Consistent with Roman Usage)
The New Testament (written in the late 1st century) frequently distinguishes Galilee as a region but places it under the umbrella of Judea/Jewish territory under Roman oversight (e.g., “Judea and Galilee” or Jesus traveling between them).
So you have a Jewish-Roman historian at the time, Josephus, as well as corroboration from the Bible that this area was called Judea. Your only argument for Palestine is based on a 4th century BCE historian as opposed to THE historian of the time, of the lineage, who lived in the area and you are saying, "nah, it's the 460 year old greek dude who is right, not the guy who lived in the area and timeframe of the subject".
You are wrong. You have no facts to support you that supersede historical canon. I have given you fact after fact and your retort is the Greeks, and a roman cartographer? Not the historical record?
Posted on 7/9/26 at 1:39 pm to Hangover Haven
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Tickets range from around $3,000 to $5,000 for
That’s the cost of a nice watch. I would feel just as foolish buying either but only for one day. Then I’d have a sweet watch.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 1:44 pm to BoarEd
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es, 500 years before Jesus was ever born the region was known as Palestine, and not just by Herodotus, but by everyone whose job it was to make frickin maps and record histories.
Who give a shite about what it was called 500 years before Jesus?
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Yes, shortly after Jesus died the region was officially renamed Palestine
And what was it named during Jesus lifetime?
And your short time is 135 AD.
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had been known for 600 years at this point. And yes, the specific place where Jesus was born sits in modern day Palestine.
False, it sits in modern day Israel. Look up Nazareth, chief, and where it sits.
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Nazareth[a] is the largest city in the Northern District of Israel.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 1:52 pm to thermal9221
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Oh an angel told her. lol ok
Your blasphemy is noted.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 1:53 pm to Timeoday
I thought Islamic women were like property. Why is she leading something? She and her devil husband dress mighty western to try to make everything here to their liking.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 2:34 pm to Godfather1
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Guaranteed there will be a whole slew of rich, “enlightened” white women with husbands whose businesses are angling for city contracts, who will absolutely flock to this.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 3:19 pm to Diamondawg
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She and her devil husband dress mighty western to try to make everything here to their liking.
Barry and Mike say, "Hello"!!
Posted on 7/9/26 at 3:54 pm to BugAC
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Your only argument for Palestine is based on a 4th century BCE historian as opposed to THE historian of the time, of the lineage, who lived in the area and you are saying, "nah, it's the 460 year old greek dude who is right, not the guy who lived in the area and timeframe of the subject".
You just flat out ignored the post I made where I listed several other people before, during, and shortly after the time of Jesus who all referred to it as Palestine and are now lying.
Also, yes, you absolutely did deny that the Philistines were the Palestinians. I even posted the frickin etymology of the word Palestine for you linking it directly to "Philistine" and you continued to argue against it. Speaking of Josephus, he too affirms that the land known to the Hebrews as "Philistia" was the exact same territory known to the Greeks of the time as Palestine.
It is entirely dishonest to suggest it was only Herodotus who said this. I informed you of this and you continue to be dishonest about it. Not sure why, but either way, we are done. No sense in arguing with liars.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 4:06 pm to High C
I’m just saying, those are all things a trifling tramp would say.
I’m a virgin
I can’t explain how I got knocked up
An Angel explained to me how this happened
Sounds like the Sophie rain of that time.
I’m a virgin
I can’t explain how I got knocked up
An Angel explained to me how this happened
Sounds like the Sophie rain of that time.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 4:37 pm to Fat Bastard
What I do not understand is how the Catholic Pope will chastise an American POTUS but say nothing about this filth.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 5:30 pm to BoarEd
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Neither now, nor in the time of Mary/Jesus was that area known as Palestine.
This
Posted on 7/9/26 at 7:03 pm to BoarEd
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Anyone who cannot see that Mary and Jesus were Palestinian Jews is wilfully ignorant.
This is stupid….. no one considers Mary and Jesus as Palestinian Jews… no one without an agenda that is.
This is like saying the Indians who lived in the Louisiana territory prior to the Europeans naming the territory “Louisiana” should be called “Louisiana Indians” instead of Choctaw, Houma, Creek, etc. Those tribes would have never considered themselves Louisianans even though they lived within the territory
Posted on 7/9/26 at 7:23 pm to BoarEd
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No, it's not. Because the place where Jesus was born sits not only within the region historically known as Palestine, but also in modern day Palestine. This isn't rocket science.
The name Palestine as we know it today didn’t exist until more than a century after the crucifixion of Christ. During His lifetime the areas was named Judea.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 7:48 pm to Darth_Vader
Not true. As has been shown several times throughout this thread, the word is derived from the word Philistine and was in use to describe the region more than 400 years before Jesus was born.
Posted on 7/9/26 at 7:51 pm to Bourre
Every analogy in this thread has been a bad analogy.
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