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re: Questions Protestants Can’t Answer

Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:41 pm to
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:41 pm to
Posted by RobbBobb
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:45 pm to
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Protestantism was invented more than Fifteen Centuries after Christ walked the Earth

And it took Catholicism Three centuries. And they had help from a pagan world leader. The reason that it took 1500 years is because the Catholics had governments torture or kill those that tried to pull the curtain back on the wizard behind the creation. Catholicism in that regard comes off more as the scribes and pharisees of the day, than of Jesus

* The Inquisition
* Dark Ages
* Persecution by Queen Mary
* Persecution of Galileo
* John Wycliffe
* Jon Hus
* Martin Luther

Also, your claim on being the one true church starts right off the bat a little suspect when Peter didnt even want to acknowledge that fact.
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Clement of Alexandria related, "This James, whom the people of old called the Just because of his outstanding virtue, was the first, as the record tells us, to be elected to the episcopal throne

James the brother of Jesus was elected the first leader of the church. But Catholics deny his brotherhood to Jesus. Why? Because of sinless Mary. How could she have other children, oh my. Yet again, scriptures dont back up catholic teachings
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Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother. - Paul

Even Peter recognized James' role as church leader. Upon his delivery from prison these were Peters instructions before departing the city
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But he, beckoning unto them with the hand to hold their peace, declared unto them how the Lord had brought him out of the prison. And he said, Go shew these things unto James, and to the brethren. And he departed, and went into another place.

The Apostles council in Acts 15 says that James took control of the meeting in regards to the gentiles entering this new church. His words translated from the original text are "therefore I decide". And Peter and Paul are recorded to be in attendance. There also was no recorded vote on James proposal. It became the official policy that allowed the Roman church to be formed
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And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me

Outside sources also recognize James, where no other church leader was mentioned by name. Josephus vividly recalls the martyrdom of James.
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Ananus was of this disposition, he thought he had now a proper opportunity [to exercise his authority]. Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the Sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned

There was an established network of churches well before the Roman church
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:47 pm to
I am technically a protestant but I identify as a based catholic
Posted by Deplorableinohio
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:48 pm to
The pope is not between us and God. No human is. Nobody.
Posted by FoTownBam
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:57 pm to
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Are you saying Jesus didn’t know what he was doing when he made the Apostles, and particularly Peter (the Rock), leaders of an early Church?

The difference is, Jesus had absolutely nothing to do with selecting this pope. Pretty sure this pope was selected by Satan
Posted by yakster
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 10:00 pm to
“Peter”= small stone, not a rock.
Posted by 1897
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 10:02 pm to
One word Catholics need to chew on:

LEGALISM


the 95 thesis was nailed on the door because the church had become corrupt.. much like what you're dealing with now. Placing a an inherently sinful, inevitably fallible man above all other men is ridiculous. Jesus is the way to heaven
Posted by Purple Spoon
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 10:05 pm to
Then may the Christian Lord guide my hand, against your Roman popery.


Bill the butcher
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 10:23 pm to
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“Peter”= small stone, not a rock.


See my statement about 1500 years and hubris.

I guess you think that Greek was only accurately interpreted and translated only after the invention of protestantism?
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 10:25 pm
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 10:28 pm to
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Protestantism was invented more than Fifteen Centuries after Christ walked the Earth
Catholicism was invented by a bunch of latin homos editing together a document that justified all of their interests, also significantly long after the death of Jesus..
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 10:31 pm
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 10:30 pm to
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Jesus wanted us to join his Church.
Jesus wanted people to be good Jews.
Posted by RFK
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 10:51 pm to
This isn’t political
Posted by TankBoys32
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 11:02 pm to
Mic drop
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 11:05 pm to
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It's absurd to conclude that Almighty God would withhold Ultimate Truth from us human beings for over 1,500 years, suddenly to reveal Ultimate Truth to a handful of people like Calvin and Zwingli.


God didn't withhold anything. The truth was always there. Catholic leaders were just more interested in wealth and power than sharing the truth. The same can be said of the prosperity gospel heretics, but at least protestants don't look to them as leaders of the church.
Posted by Speckhunter2012
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 11:39 pm to
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Are you saying Jesus didn’t know what he was doing when he made the Apostles, and particularly Peter (the Rock), leaders of an early Church?


Apostles =/= Pope and Vatican.

Source - Learn Religions.com - Origins of the Roman Catholic Church
Roman Catholicism itself maintains that the Roman Catholic Church was established by Christ when he gave direction to the Apostle Peter as the head of the church. This belief is based on Matthew 16:18, when Jesus Christ said to Peter:

"And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it." (NIV).
According to The Moody Handbook of Theology, the official beginning of the Roman Catholic church occurred in 590 CE, with Pope Gregory I. This time marked the consolidated of lands controlled by authority of the pope, and thus the church's power, into what would later be known as "the Papal States."

Me - So, for 560ish years there was no pope. And then a pope.

Yet, through the dark ages and the Spanish Inquisition it was the Catholic Church murdering, conquering and torturing people who would not submit. That sounds a lot like a certain religion now.

NB4 - yes I know Protestants committed atrocities too. As did most pagan or indigenous religions prior to either Protestants or Catholics having conquered that land.

I hold no disrespect for those are part of an organized religion.
Ultimately, we are on the same team vs the evil on this planet. My church was built on a rock and not a multi-million dollar building regardless of dogma.
Posted by UncleLogger
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 11:40 pm to
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At some point, the Catholic Church went away from the worship of Christ and became worship of the Pope and his Cardinals.


That is wildly inaccurate. It’s all about the Mass and receiving the sacraments. I spend zero time thinking about the Pope.
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 11:42 pm to
It’s amazing how misguided some protestants are when it comes to Roman Catholicism. They just parrot what Brother Jeremiah tells them from the pulpit on Sunday without bothering to educate themselves.
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 11:43 pm
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 5/26/24 at 12:02 am to
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It's absurd to conclude that Almighty God would withhold Ultimate Truth from us human beings for over 1,500 years, suddenly to reveal Ultimate Truth to a handful of people like Calvin and Zwingli.


How many years after Christ did it take Christian's to ban slavery?
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/26/24 at 1:19 am to
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Protestantism was invented more than Fifteen Centuries after Christ walked the Earth.
Reformed Christianity was "invented" with the revelation of God in the Scriptures of both the Old and New Testaments.

Protestantism is just a word that describes a relationship of Biblical Christianity to Catholicism, but the teachings of the Reformation were going back to the source: the Bible. That's why it was called a reformation, because it was reforming the false teachings.

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It's absurd to conclude that Almighty God would withhold Ultimate Truth from us human beings for over 1,500 years, suddenly to reveal Ultimate Truth to a handful of people like Calvin and Zwingli.
Calvin and Zwingli had the same texts that the RCC had. It wasn't that ultimate truth was withheld, but that the ultimate truth was not taught by Rome. Big difference. That's why there was such an emphasis on getting the Bible into the hands of the lay people, because Rome thought that the common Christian should not even have access to the Bible. The people being able to read what it taught for themselves opened their eyes to the false teachings of Rome. It's amazing how well you can spot a counterfeit once you have access to the original.
Posted by Knight of Old
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Posted on 5/26/24 at 5:56 am to
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Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
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