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re: Questions for the election fraud deniers?

Posted on 9/23/21 at 12:18 pm to
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
18596 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 12:18 pm to
I'm not a denier... I just want to see the evidence. I don't want bits and pieces leaked out here and there, that may or may not be out of context. I don't want people dragging me along indefinitely as they say "it's coming " over and over.

I don't want to be like those dumbasses who believed in the Russian collusion hoax. They were dragged along for years...and then at the end, there was nothing. Even though brennan, Clapper and Schiff repeatedly told them there was plenty of evidence.


There was a lot of shady shite during the 2020 election. I want actual answers. I want an explanation regarding the 10s of thousands of ballots that were counted in the dead of night after all the counters went home and stopped, in several key states. Each of those massive, mysterious ballot dumps were at least 92% for biden..
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

Big Scrub TX
you are wrong, likely on the "spectrum" and a deficient thinker OR(and this is my guess) pathologically dishonest.

Statistical anomalies,

thousands upon thousands of affidavits,

the laws enacted by democrats mid-covid designed to make it easier to cheat,

the admission of Joe Biden himself of "the largest voting fraud organization in American history",

the pervasive propagandist messaging and polling from the pathetic media,

closing down voting centers from observers in virtually all swing states,

the illicit computer connections in voting usages illegally to outside sources,

there are tons more

make you simply a lying piece of shite
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39849 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 12:26 pm to
quote:

you are wrong, likely on the "spectrum" and a deficient thinker OR(and this is my guess) pathologically dishonest.

Statistical anomalies,

thousands upon thousands of affidavits,

the laws enacted by democrats mid-covid designed to make it easier to cheat,

the admission of Joe Biden himself of "the largest voting fraud organization in American history",

the pervasive propagandist messaging and polling from the pathetic media,

closing down voting centers from observers in virtually all swing states,

the illicit computer connections in voting usages illegally to outside sources,

there are tons more

make you simply a lying piece of shite
Have fun with your conspiracy nonsense.
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
8038 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 12:28 pm to
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7) Yes I do believe they would but the mainstream media has a high threshold of proof before they report on things like that. That is what legitimate journalists do.


Laughed my arse off at this clown answer.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49519 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 12:29 pm to
quote:

He who claims something extraordinary has the burden of providing the evidence

You actually have that backwards - the extraordinary claims would be that there was NO fraud.

SO - the only way to determine if there were 'enough' potential fraud to reverse the announced result, the ONLY thing that any rational mind would do is to do some sort of AUDIT.
Q1 = WHO is resisting b.a.m.n. the conduct of 'any' sort of audit.

THEN - We have to ask = "was there anything different about this election than all the others???"
ANS = there were ENORMOUS differences - even outright unconstitutional events - all under the cover of 'an emergency' (how convenient - since the 'differences' were things the DEMs have been wanting to do for over a decade - e.g. ballot harvesting, no ID, no signature match, unrequested mail in ballots, extended vote periods, delayed times to report the results, etc,

OK - then WHERE were these 'different procedures' implemented???
ANS = why how coincidental - the very five states where the election procedures were relaxed are the same five states that pushed Biden over the top.

Rational minds want to know.

Anyone who RESISTs any sort of audit is awfully afraid that they election was stolen

Anyone who REFUSES to rationally DISCUSS any of the 'convenient' election procedure changes KNOW the election was stolen.

Which side are you on?
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29196 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 12:30 pm to
quote:

I don't want people dragging me along indefinitely as they say "it's coming " over and over.


But you have to keep donating to their organizations so they can keep uncovering more fraud and distribute the info!
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37514 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 12:36 pm to
I don't know about Milwaukee out of ignorance. But I do know Michigan. Trump actually got more votes in Detroit proper this time than in 2016. But it's not Detroit where he lost....he was never going to make significant inroads there. Trump lost Michigan in Grand Rapids mostly. Democrats focused on flipping Kent County and had been camped out there since late 2017. They got Kent and a neighboring County....both went for Trump by thin margins in 2016. Also he lost Saginaw County.

In PA, I will grant you there was something fishy in Philadelphia, but Trump underperformed in Bucks and West Chester. Also Republican election lawyers were caught sleeping on the " emergency relief" that allowed for the wholesale issuance of mail in ballots in contravention of state law.

But Trump also lost Georgia and Arizona and he lost them straight up. Democrats have been working in GA to flip it since 2012. In Arizona no one was paying attention when Maricopa County switched from Republican to Democrat on a local level 3 years ago.

While you were looking at the rallies, you missed the manuvering of the Democrats on a longer term. They outflanked Trump and the Republicans and that flanking procedure began before 2020 and was in place when the primaries began.

Democrats know how to electioneer. Republicans and now Trumpkins do not. You keep fixating on the fraud without sufficient evidence that will pass even cursory muster. Then you compound it with clowns like Sidney Powell and Lin Wood and a drunk Giuliani. If you want to beat Democrats even in Presidential races you must first control the mechanics of the vote on the local level and I mean at the municipal level
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 12:37 pm to
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conspiracy nonsense
Hmm OK, "on the spectrum" just became more likely

so a mix, dishonest retardation
Posted by Bandit1980
God's Country
Member since Nov 2019
4613 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 12:44 pm to
Because Dems are hypocritical jackasses.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29196 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

Democrats know how to electioneer.


quote:

If you want to beat Democrats even in Presidential races you must first control the mechanics of the vote on the local level and I mean at the municipal level


Bingo.

But the local stuff is “boring” for the national red meat Republicans, especially the Trumpists. That’s a big reason why Rispone lost in 2019 vs John Bel Edwards. He and his team couldn’t be bothered with local electioneering and GOTV efforts. All they wanted to do was talk Trump and DC politics.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10501 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 1:01 pm to
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He and his team couldn’t be bothered with local electioneering and GOTV efforts


I agree with what you are saying, but electioneering is always going to favor Democrats for a number of reasons. It is much easier to go onto dense Urban area that is 90% (D) and pull in a major haul of votes, especially with the money and resources Democrats have. For (R)s they would have to do the same effort in every rural county of the state.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37514 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 1:31 pm to
Yep. All politics is local. Even the national elections. Anyone can get crowds to show up before election day, but how you get people to the polls and the manner and people in charge of the counting are just as if not MORE important.

Early voting and absentee voting become a problem for Republicans because most probably both are controlled by local Democrat hacks...especially in urban areas. Vote in judges and local pols that you can trust and then implement a zero trust policy.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29196 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 1:38 pm to
I don’t disagree, but to sit on your hands, do nothing but try to “nationalize” the local/State race, then scream fraud after you lose isn’t exactly a winning strategy.

So I go back to my first post in this thread. Your state AG and local prosecutor need to hammer those who are found guilty of fraud. Probation ain’t going to cut it. They’ll just find a different way to collude the next election. No fear of repercussions.
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7875 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 1:40 pm to
Your reference to Trump and Russia is spot on and is exactly what I’m talking about. The burden is in the party making the accusation. The Russia conspiracy was utterly unpersuasive. The problem in the election is that there is a system for challenging election results and Trump failed to prevail under that system.
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7875 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 1:43 pm to
I have no problem with audits. I don’t really get the rest of your post, perhaps bc I don’t have a “side.”
Posted by jackamo3300
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2004
2901 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 2:13 pm to
quote:

What I know, beyond doubt, is that those claiming election fraud were not able to gain any traction in any court. In our system, that means there either wasn't substantial fraud or the aggrieved side lacks the ability to prove its case.


Where were you when what is the most convenient cop out extant in the present judicial system to avoid the ever-present threat of riots was to keep ruling "no standing" over and over again.

Nothing new here. They did the same thing with Obama's hastily, digitally constructed 3rd version of his B.C.

It will continue as the need arises.

They kept invoking that wedge they use to determine "standing."

That the plaintiff must show how he/she was personally injured by the action(s) in the complaint.

Well, how about an entire country "injured" by the purposeful with malice aforethought corruption of the election process.

But then look at the riots and property destruction we've avoided since the "no standing" cop out was continually and conveniently invoked.

Instead of only billions of dollars in destroyed property, lost careers, livelihoods, and families, it might have gone into the trillions.

So we've got people with the absolute best of intentions watching out for us.

We should be thanking them instead of vilifying them.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

but Trump underperformed in Bucks and West Chester


By underperformed you mean he increased his vote totals drastically and Bucks and Westchester increased the overall turnout by laughable amounts.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

the mainstream media has a high threshold of proof before they report on things like that. That is what legitimate journalists do.



Are you fricking kidding me?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37514 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 2:40 pm to
On what planet ? Trump got beat in both rather handily especially in the West Chester area and he did not improve his spread in Bucks. Biden beat him in both as did Hillary the only difference is this time the spread in Chester was greater.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
27175 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 2:47 pm to
quote:

I would answer many of the questions in the manner you likely desire, but you've got the whole thing backward. He who claims something extraordinary has the burden of providing the evidence of it


Like I have said multiple times before. EVERYONE knows the election was stolen. The above comment just solidifies that belief.

Prove it, prove it, prove it. All the while pretending it hasn't already been proven multiple times many ways.

She knows it. They all know it. Everyone knows it.

Counts on tv turning backwards, windows being boarded up... the list is endless.

Stupid dims stop pretending the evidence hasn't already be shown. Of course dims are scum so they will never admit that the sky is blue.
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