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re: Question for those that oppose the tariffs

Posted on 4/2/25 at 6:51 pm to
Posted by Mushroom1968
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2023
6115 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 6:51 pm to
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The media certainly criticized tariffs in his first term. Many people here did as well. If you're unaware of that you just weren't paying attention or forgot. T


Nah, not much of that happened at all

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That's not my problem.


Sounds like it’s your problem
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 6:52 pm to
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Nah, not much of that happened at all


The Shrub had at least 50k posts about it
Posted by Mushroom1968
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2023
6115 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 6:53 pm to
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The Shrub had at least 50k posts about it


Nobody counts him for anything though
Posted by Speckhunter2012
Lake Charles
Member since Dec 2012
8613 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 6:53 pm to
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I would understand if there was a serious effort underway to make things in America again. But I don’t know that that exists. We should be doing everything we can on a local level to become self sufficient


Ok Obama. There is no Magic Wand. PDJT cannot inspire companies to come back to the US. It won't happen. "Those jobs are gone." O

Let's keep everything as it is and keep killing the middle class. Then you can have your digital curency, EBT? life that the globalists want for us.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6974 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:01 pm to
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There was a more important third component you lef out, the most important.



Left nothing of importance out.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55629 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:03 pm to
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The same thing Republicans believed until 2016

Competition. More competition.



At least try to make up some nonsensical economic BS rather than saying it's all about more competition .....hell, go with unfettered free trade,
This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 7:07 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173381 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:05 pm to
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Let's keep everything as it is and keep killing the middle class.

These tariffs are a great way to squeeze the middle class unfortunately
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
19529 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:06 pm to
Like last time he was in office? ??
Posted by Chef Curry
Member since Mar 2019
3093 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:13 pm to
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Never saw one negative comment about them his first term.


That’s because they were too busy “reporting” on pee pee tapes, mean tweets, and muh Russian collusion.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
10077 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:16 pm to
I don't oppose the tariffs. I oppose lying about the basis of the President's power to impose them.

Outside a national emergency (which doesn't exist with Canada) or a 30 day rule period (which didn't happen), the President does not have the authority to impose the tariffs. That power belongs to Congress.

I hate "legal fictions" for Republicans as much as I do for Democrats. Personally, I would have preferred if the president would have acted through Congress....but I suppose he knew he didn't have the votes.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
10077 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:18 pm to
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Never saw one negative comment about them his first term.


Good point. If you know, did Trump impose those tariffs unilaterally or did Congress pass legislation imposing the tariffs?
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
10330 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:19 pm to
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What the frick do we have to lose?


Good question and it depends on whom you choose to listen to. Some say nothing. Some say there will short term pain and long term gain. Here’s a study signed off on by around 30 trade organizations and they aren’t sugar coating things:

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Here's a massive 38 page study (published March 24th) signed off on by nearly 30 trade organizations. This is specifically about what happens with the $1.5 million dollar fee the Chinese ships will pay per port. It goes into great detail as I'm sure you can imagine. It isn't a rosy picture. Trade deficits increase, employment drops, all sorts of nightmarish stuff. Trump wants this fee to get domestic ship building back on track which is a noble endeavor. How much pain are we willing to absorb to make that happen? Here are a couple highlights: Exports would decline by up to $21.4 billion, worsening the U.S. trade deficit. Industries that rely on cost-effective shipping, including manufacturing, retail and agriculture, would experience higher costs and lose the ability to remain competitive. USTR’s proposed remedies would increase shipping costs by 8% to 14%, leading to higher prices for imported goods, according to the new study. More than 60% of U.S. imports rely on maritime shipping, meaning increased costs would affect nearly all industries. Supply chain delays would worsen, impacting retailers, manufacturers and distributors. Port traffic could decline by up to 11%, as shipping companies reroute through Canada or Mexico to avoid fees. As a result, U.S. warehousing and trucking jobs would be lost due to reduced port activity and the price of everyday goods would rise due to supply chain disruptions.


Tradepartnership.com

Posted by Mushroom1968
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2023
6115 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:25 pm to
If trump was against tariffs our board “moderate constitutionalists liberals” would all be 100% for it
Posted by atlgamecockman
Nola
Member since Dec 2012
4392 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:26 pm to
The tariffs aren’t based on anything they’re literally just the opposite proportion of the trade balance we have with the countries…. We’re being led by retards

Cambodia: 97%

US exports to Cambodia: $321.6 M

Cambodia exports to US: 12.7 B

Ratio: 321.6M / 12.7 B = ~3%

LINK

Vietnam: 90%

US exports to Vietnam: $13.1 B

Vietnam exports to US: $136.6 B

Ratio: 13.1B / 136.6B = ~10%

LINK

Sri Lanka: 88%

US exports to Sri Lanka: $368.2 M

Sri Lanka exports to US: $3.0 B

Ratio: ~12%

LINK

What the Administration appears to be calling a "97% tariff" by Cambodia is in reality the fact that we export 97% less stuff to Cambodia than they export to us.
This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 7:29 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89536 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:38 pm to
I actually like how Buchanan was brought up and now Rothbard.

And generally by people who don’t like Trump.


But these guys got their right wing populism with Trump.


quote:

Buchanan said, in reference to the then recently held 1992 Democratic National Convention, "Like many of you last month, I watched that giant masquerade ball at Madison Square Garden—where 20,000 radicals and liberals came dressed up as moderates and centrists—in the greatest single exhibition of cross-dressing in American political history."



We are trying to undo what happened all those years ago.




This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 7:46 pm
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:51 pm to
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Question for those that oppose the tariffs


I don't oppose tariffs as much as I oppose anything that fricks with my money, and right now this tariff bullshite is fricking with my money.

Now just like everyone else, I don’t have a choice but to sit with this shite and wait it out. Every arm chair poli-board economist has an opinion on this stuff and wether or not it's a good thing. Well none of us really know and neither do most of the experts, because they can't agree either.

But here's what I do know and it's really the only thing that I know. My investment portfolio is losing money, and I don't like that shite one fricking bit.

We'll see how it shakes out.
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
21129 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:53 pm to
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I don't oppose tariffs as much as I oppose anything that fricks with my money, and right now this tariff bullshite is fricking with my money.


Fair point!
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68067 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:54 pm to
That's kind of where I am -- this board seems to be pushing the idea that we are going to have to endure some short-term pain with these moves. Well, how long is that? Tariffs, plus laying off a bunch of government workers seems like playing with fire to me. DJT's legacy is on the line with this.
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
20154 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:59 pm to
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Tarriffs are fine as long as people are okay with costs increasing on THE product being taxed.


This is a short sighted view of tariffs. Tariffs are leverage and tools for creating environments an actions that are good for the USA.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 8:01 pm to
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That's kind of where I am -- this board seems to be pushing the idea that we are going to have to endure some short-term pain with these moves. Well, how long is that? Tariffs, plus laying off a bunch of government workers seems like playing with fire to me. DJT's legacy is on the line with this.


Alot of these frickin' people who are jacking off to these tariffs. Well these are probably the same people who never look at their 401k (if they have one at all) or don't have any contributions past the 2.5% their employer kicks in.

These people need to look at their retirement plan right fricking now and then look at it again in one week.

I look at mine every single day and I don't like what I'm seeing.
This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 8:07 pm
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