re: Question for Devil Worshippers about Satan

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you recon aggiehank could pass for a goth chick? him and many others.

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Nah, ah don’ reckon.

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Your lack of faith is disturbing.

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You're not going to have Jesus force choke me or something, are you?

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No, you will get much worse than that

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What are we talking here?

Waterboarding? Boils? Auto-da-fé?

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You have to be pretty ignorant of scripture to say something like this. The default state of Adam and Eve was that they would live forever.

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Can you cite that in scripture rather than pulling off some nut job explanation you got from your pastor? If you can find it in scripture, it would be a contradiction to Genesis 3:22. Read that sentence and diagram it. Understand the subject matter. If he eats if the tree of life, he will live forever. In context the converse must be true… if he doesn’t eat from the tree of life, he will not live forever. Genesis 3:22 is great evidence that Adam was created mortal. Action would need to be taken (eat from tree of life) for him to become immortal.

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Or it's a trinitarian passage that expresses the concept of the Trinity (Father, Son, and Spirit) from the beginning.

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So the second temple scribes, who denied the existence of other gods, and rejected Jesus as a heretic, inserted the Christian trinity into the Bible? Pretty dumb argument.

What really happened is that there were many passages that the second temple priests under Ezra and Zerubabbel and Cyrus of Persia and later Persian monarchs failed to redact or “correct” to take out all references to other gods. Genesis 1 was a relict of first temple polytheism. Go ahead a read a book other than the Bible sometime. You will read about descriptions of “YHWH and his Asherah”, and how archaeologists found many artifacts and idols of El Elyon, Baal Hadad, Asherah, Nehushtan, Anat, and many more at sites in Jerusalem dating as late as about 200BCE. The second commandment was written to try to stop that practice of worship of many gods (who were localized using idols). It is undeniable those Israelites and Judeans were worshipping multiple gods to very close to the time of Jesus. That is reflected in Genesis 1, Deut 32:8, Psalm 82, and many many more.

Actually the Trinity was a Jewish thing before Christianity but not as you know it. There was a father (El Elyon) and his wife (Asherah) and their son (YHWH). Asherah in the Bible is sometimes depicted as Ruach Elohim (spirit of god, with spirit conjugated as female with female pronouns and verbs) and sometimes as El Shaddai (god with breasts, with almost every single reference in scripture concerning blessings of having many children). YHWH was the ruler of the nation of Israel, with the descendants of Jacob being his chosen people. This group of religious adherents were the followers of first temple theology and rejected the second temple theology created by Persia. It is this group of people (sometimes called Enochian Jews) that eventually led to Christianity as they believed EL Elyon sent his son YHWH incarnate as Jesus Christ to be sacrificed to purify creation.

Looks like you are the ignoramus if you can’t acknowledge the basics such as ancient Jews were polytheistic and it is they who wrote many of the books of the Bible, and that there is not one contradiction in its entirety. Last I counted there were four different explanations for David becoming king of Judah. It’s all there in scripture. I’m not going to spoon feed you anymore.

A start for you would be to read the book I linked earlier in this thread.

Anytime “the spirit of the LORD came upon” a person, that person is about to go on a murder spree. When I come across the that line in scripture, I get ready for the bloodlust. Notable exceptions are that sometimes the spirit of the LORD starts a murderous rampage only to get their own asses kicked, as the LORD is not acruelly all powerful. Some examples are when the Philistines stole the ark of the covenant, and another time God lost a major battle with Moab (see Mesha Stele). Point is that the spirit of the LORD creates violence, and normally it’s the murder of some poor innocents.

If you think God is good and everyone he kills is justified because he is god, then there is no way you will understand why it is heinous or a crime.

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I sometimes wonder if Jesus was actually Satan. He preached self-sacrifice. I believe God wants us to live our life to the fullest potential and not just sacrifice ourself for others like Jesus did on the cross. Just sayin. I guess I'll burn in Hell for sayin this.

When non-believers become more zealous than the believers, that's how you know.

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God holds people accountable for rules be made but never gave them because he implanted it in their hearts. Haven’t heard that one but it doesn’t surprise me you and your ilk would try to fabricate something like that. Prove me wrong if you can by quoting scripture. If it’s implanted in everyone’s hearts, while in the hell would he need to have Moses write them down on tablets?

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In Leviticus 18, God explains that He sent Israel to drive out the inhabitants of Canaan because of their iniquity. Their idol worship, child sacrifices, etc. defiled the land (v. 25). God judged them for their wickedness. How could He do that when they didn't have the 10 commandments? Because sin existed before Mt. Sinai. Paul comments on this in Rom. 2:14-16

For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.

God gave the law as a teacher and a guide for Israel to show them their need for a savior. The 10 commandments were given to show just how holy God is and how unrighteous the people are, so that they would seek God for forgiveness. The entire sacrificial system of Israel was predicated on this: it was symbolic of the blood sacrifice that is needed to remove sin, but the blood of bulls and goats can't actually take away sin. It just pointed to a better sacrifice that would be needed (which was fulfilled in Jesus).

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Sounds like an a-hole of a god to me. To kill people for breaking a rule he never gave them. The people had precedent too - that’s how they had worshipped YHWH for hundreds of years and El for thousands od years. Now all of a sudden it’s wrong.

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By nature all people know God exists and that we sin, because our consciences testify to right and wrong and we do what we know is wrong and don't do what we know is right. No one is without excuse. All are guilty. God isn't evil for punishing people for not doing what they were created to do (worship the holy God of the universe and seek to do His will).

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Your God has done the most heinous of crimes against humanity but you say it’s justified because He says it’s justified. Why not just worship Satan?

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What's your basis for saying God does "heinous crimes against humanity"? What law are you referencing to say God is guilty of a crime?

I don't worship Satan because he is a created being and not God. He has no power over God and God is perfectly holy. Satan is evil.