- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Psaki can’t guarantee military intervention for remaining Americans past August 31st
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:00 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:00 pm to Indefatigable
I have a dumb question here. Were any of these people planning on staying after the military left, anyway? I ask because I am somewhat skeptical of the State dept/intel community turning on Biden because the NGO and private contractor gravy train is being turned off. In other words, I don't feel quite so bad for those people who were planning on staying to cash in for the foreseeable future and circumstances have now gone south on them. But, if it's mostly volunteers or something, that's a different story.
0
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:00 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:
The military has no plans because the military was ordered by the President to GTFO.
Dang, if only he had the power to reverse that order.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:00 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
quote:
Yes
That probably isn't going to happen, the military isn't even suppose to be there.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:01 pm to Indefatigable
quote:
Am I supposed to be angry about this?
If you aren’t at least mildly pissed off about all of this already, well…
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:01 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
Good grief. The FIRST thing a person in power should NOT do is take options OFF the table. This is more telegraphing weakness. The US has explicity, and publicly, told the Taliban they can wait it out and have 10,000 hostages if they want them.
We're doing everything but sending Biden over there to take a knee. Maybe he'll go when he's done with his vacation?
I agree on the messaging 100%. That's why the deadline to leave was always stupid to put into words/on paper.
As far as my question on what to do, I am referring to the situation on the ground. Actual, practical actions, not just continuing to get mad about how fricked up the entire operation is.
Without re-inserting our forces nationwide, what else are we supposed to do other than tell people they have to find their own way to the airport? (Again--I know its fricked. That has been established ad nauseum and no one disagrees)
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:02 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
quote:
Dang, if only he had the power to reverse that order.
The order is only a requirement under the agreement.
The military isn't suppose to be there really.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:03 pm to Indefatigable
quote:
So are yall wanting the military to go door to door countrywide and track people down and bring them to Kabul or the airport? That ship sailed days to weeks ago.
No shite, that's the issue with the entire withdrawal. Biden had no plan for any of this which is what has led to this debacle.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:05 pm to Indefatigable
quote:We're going to whatever the Taliban tell us to do.
As far as my question on what to do,
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:05 pm to Indefatigable
quote:
That is absolutely what we should have done months ago. Sadly, it isn't in the cards anymore.
Sure it is. Why do you think it's not?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:06 pm to Indefatigable
quote:
Its also they same people that are saying there are still 10,000 US citizens in Afghanistan. Do you believe their numbers or not?
I’ve read other sources that it may be as many as 15,000 to 20,000.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:07 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
quote:
Why do you think it's not?
Because the lack of will to do just that anymore is exactly why we are in this position to begin with.
I don't think that reinserting tens of thousands of troops to reoccupy Kabul and other urban areas is in the cards anymore. You do?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:09 pm to Indefatigable
quote:
Just trying to understand what you all are expecting to be done at this point. Given all the failures to happen thus far, I don't understand the additional outrage over stating that we can't guarantee military assistance after our deadline to pull out our forces.
Sounds remarkably similar to "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:10 pm to Indefatigable
quote:
The Pentagon has already said they expect to be capable of 5,000-9,000 evacuations per day now that the airport is under control.
I will not send in more troops, swift is safety
Biden has a plan to beat Covid
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:11 pm to ChanceOfRainIsNever
quote:
That’s unbelievable, just unbelievable. The American government abandoning 10,000 of its own citizens.
Huh? They were told in June to leave. And the ones still there have 2 weeks to get out while we are still there keeping the airport operational.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:12 pm to LongueCarabine
Even though I, like most of you, detest WAPO, this is a pretty good article which lays out the lack of attention to the issue
LINK
The State Department and the Defense Department basically have two options: negotiate safe passage for American citizens with the Taliban, if possible, or send the U.S. military out into the city to bring Americans back to the airport before the Taliban gangs find them. Officials working on these cases inside the government told me they have no clear guidance from the White House and not enough support.“We need more troops from the Pentagon, and we need more State Department resources to evacuate Americans,” the official said. “I feel like I’m working against my own government to get my own country’s people out.”
Biden needs to go.
LINK
The State Department and the Defense Department basically have two options: negotiate safe passage for American citizens with the Taliban, if possible, or send the U.S. military out into the city to bring Americans back to the airport before the Taliban gangs find them. Officials working on these cases inside the government told me they have no clear guidance from the White House and not enough support.“We need more troops from the Pentagon, and we need more State Department resources to evacuate Americans,” the official said. “I feel like I’m working against my own government to get my own country’s people out.”
Biden needs to go. Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:12 pm to Lightning
quote:
Sounds remarkably similar to "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
The critical difference being that I am not the Secretary of State charged with protecting the lives of our Foreign Services and allies.
And my question remains genuine. Do you think, with the facts as they stand now, that going door to door and picking people up is an option? Because I don't see it. I would love for the answer to be different. All of these people should have been evacuated weeks ago, and we should have never abandoned Bagram before our people were completely out of country. But that isn't where we are.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:14 pm to Indefatigable
quote:
The Pentagon has already said they expect to be capable of 5,000-9,000 evacuations per day now that the airport is under control.
That not exactly what they said
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:14 pm to idlewatcher
quote:
The State Department and the Defense Department basically have two options: negotiate safe passage for American citizens with the Taliban, if possible, or send the U.S. military out into the city to bring Americans back to the airport before the Taliban gangs find them. Officials working on these cases inside the government told me they have no clear guidance from the White House and not enough support.“We need more troops from the Pentagon, and we need more State Department resources to evacuate Americans,” the official said. “I feel like I’m working against my own government to get my own country’s people out.”
Just imagine how frustrating it must be for our commanders on the ground having to watch this unfold. Disgraceful.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:14 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:
Indefatigable
GeauxFightingTigers1
The military isn't suppose to be there really.
So wait, are you 2 telling me that the US, the strongest military in the nation, the most powerful nation in the world, has to abide by some "not supposed to be there" rule to bow down to this piss ant country and leave our fellow Americans over there to die? This is what you are telling me? "That ship has sailed", you say? GTFO. Send troops back, kill whoever gets in the way, get our civilians out, get whatever allies you want to get out. Basically, do it like it should have been done in the first place. And if the Taliban call it an act of war, OK. Then handle that situation. It ain't that hard.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:16 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
quote:
re you 2 telling me that the US, the strongest military in the nation, the most powerful nation in the world, has to abide by some "not supposed to be there" rule to bow down to this piss ant country and leave our fellow Americans over there to die? This is what you are telling me?
No, I don't care about the agreement at all.
Our lack of ability to just send squads out in Kabul at this time is prevented by the facts on the ground. We are vastly outnumbered as it stands, and we have no leverage whatsoever in forcing the Taliban to let us operate.
quote:
Send troops back, kill whoever gets in the way, get our civilians out, get whatever allies you want to get out. Basically, do it like it should have been done in the first place. And if the Taliban call it an act of war, OK. Then handle that situation. It ain't that hard.
That's fine, and I don't disagree that this is what everyone would like to see. But I don't know how you guys think that is going to be an option here.
We don't have the pieces in place to do that.
Page 3 of 6
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News