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re: Privatizing Amtrak

Posted on 3/5/25 at 3:41 pm to
Posted by aero1126
Member since Oct 2016
1159 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 3:41 pm to
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When has privatization ever decreased costs?


Close to never, private companies have to make profits so their price to customers naturally has to be higher.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58977 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 3:41 pm to
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There is about 100 years of Econ research that finds govt run enterprises are costlier than private enterprise



Can you name something that has become less expensive after privatization?
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73116 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 3:41 pm to
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Post office would be well profitable if republicans would stop intentionally sabota


Explain
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71464 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 3:42 pm to
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But that’s exactly how markets work. The consumer is king.

It’s a horrible misallocation of resources to publically fund an enterprise that consumers would not value on a free market.

Agreed.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
25047 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 3:45 pm to
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that's why I said the New York DC corridor might be viable.


From NYC to DC is faster on the train due to traffic getting to the airport, security and then getting from the destination airport to town.

Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21308 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 3:46 pm to
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Post office would be well profitable if republicans would stop intentionally sabotaging it.


Why did post office staff up despite having less work to do?
Posted by highcotton2
Alabama
Member since Feb 2010
10336 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 3:46 pm to
quote:

When has privatization ever decreased costs?


Launching satellites.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
10821 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 3:48 pm to
Amtrak prices are not competitive, much too high, considering the speed. They are going to get crushed by interstate busses. I suspect that the number of passengers is already declining.

So this idea makes sense to me.

I’m ok with the idea of privatizing it so somebody can figure out how to make it a worthwhile alternative.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
11335 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 3:49 pm to
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There is about 100 years of Econ research that finds govt run enterprises are costlier than private enterprise

Now, that isnt to argue that privatization is always the answer, but “decreasing costs” is not the reason for public ownership. Market failure is the reason for public enterprise


My hunch is a higher degree of exploitation of labor is usually the reason private enterprises can be cheaper. Not common in office jobs like any of us posting during a break at work but it does exist at times. Crunch in software development whereas government has pretty strict hour restrictions. Exploitation more common the further down the hierarchy though. Like, say, using illegal immigrants to pick your tomatoes because you can pay them under the table avoiding various overheads and taxes related to a real, legal employee. However, I do agree that essentially government functions that cannot or should not be privatized exist because price signals/profit motivations would not select for the function despite it being a public good.

I think Amtrak has problems that are pretty systemic and unlikely to be fixed by privatization. Passenger rail needs to be faster and it can't when freight always has priority. The only way high-speed rail is going to happen - and it clearly does with all these air traffic problems - is by significant investment in passenger rail only lines. I don't think the private sector is up to the task because that is essentially a second Eisenhower Interstate Highway System in scope.
This post was edited on 3/5/25 at 3:51 pm
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53649 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 3:51 pm to
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When has privatization ever decreased costs?


Why don't you sneak back over here and delete this ^^^^^ .....hurry now.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
37037 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 3:51 pm to
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When has privatization ever decreased costs?
Do mean the cost of a stamp or the billions of dollars that they spend in cost overruns?
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
11997 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 3:53 pm to
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privatization ever decreased costs


Quite often. However, they aren't subsidized to keep price lower
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
5521 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

Post office would be well profitable if republicans would stop intentionally sabotaging it.


Please share with us this "sabotaging" that you speak of please.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
27457 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 3:54 pm to
The Republican passed Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006 required the USPS to create a $72 billion fund to pay for the cost of its post-retirement health care costs, 75 years into the future. This burden applied to no other federal agency or private corporation. This sucked massive amounts of cash out of the post office for more than 15 years before the ridiculous mandate was mitigated in 2022.

Trump appointee, Postmaster DeJoy, has done nothing but waste money and destroy efficiencies since his appointment.

For decades, private companies have had as a pipe dream the “privatization” of the postal service. Why would they want it if it’s such a money loser? Because it isn’t.

This is the same sabotage and then steal that republicans have done for decades.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30543 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 3:55 pm to
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you won't have public rail transit in this country for long.


Then we don't need public rail transport...
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
11335 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 3:56 pm to
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The Republican passed Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006 required the USPS to create a $72 billion fund to pay for the cost of its post-retirement health care costs, 75 years into the future. This burden applied to no other federal agency or private corporation. This sucked massive amounts of cash out of the post office for more than 15 years before the ridiculous mandate was mitigated in 2022.

Trump appointee, Postmaster DeJoy, has done nothing but waste money and destroy efficiencies since his appointment.

For decades, private companies have had as a pipe dream the “privatization” of the postal service. Why would they want it if it’s such a money loser? Because it isn’t.

This is the same sabotage and then steal that republicans have done for decades.


People don't want to hear their right wing populism is just being used to get the billionaires elected so they can do smash and grabs on government functions and their tax liabilities.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135438 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 4:00 pm to
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I'm ok with Amtrack but not so sure about the post office.
Amazon recognized the advantage of privatisation. UPS/FedEx as well.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58977 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 4:01 pm to
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Why don't you sneak back over here and delete this ^^^^^ .....hurry now.



Or you could... idk... answer the question?
Posted by DownSouthJukin
1x tRant Poster of the Millennium
Member since Jan 2014
31394 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 4:01 pm to
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
32422 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 4:02 pm to
Elon needs to read a history book on why Amtrak exists in the first place.
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