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Posted on 8/25/25 at 10:06 am to greygoose
'28 GOP wildcard:
Posted on 8/25/25 at 10:19 am to Riverside
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You should disconnect for a while.
Are people really this emotionally attached to JD already?
Posted on 8/25/25 at 10:22 am to roadGator
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I have never liked his fake Appalachia shtick.
As someone from Appalachia, he isn’t a hillbilly.
When has he ever claimed to be?
Posted on 8/25/25 at 10:28 am to MintBerry Crunch
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Vance 2028 and nobody else
I actually think the one person that has the ability, knowledge and business experience to follow up on what DJT is Eric Trump.
He has run the Trump organization since 2015 and has demonstrated the same mental toughness as his father.
Below is his interview with Maria Bartiromo:
Fox Business
Posted on 8/25/25 at 10:29 am to GumboPot
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After graduating from Middletown High School in 2003, Vance enlisted in the United States Marine Corps,[15] serving as a military journalist with the 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing.[16] During his four years of service, he was deployed to the Iraq War in 2005 for six months in a non-combat role, writing articles and taking photographs.[15] He attained the rank of corporal, and his decorations included the Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal and the Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal.
Except for this part being left out.
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 10:31 am
Posted on 8/25/25 at 10:42 am to roadGator
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I have never liked his fake Appalachia shtick.
As someone from Appalachia, he isn’t a hillbilly.
How is he faking his background specifically?
Are you familiar with the area he's from?
Posted on 8/25/25 at 10:46 am to tide06
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How is he faking his background specifically?
Same question I asked.
When someone tells me that his book claims that he grew up as a hillbilly, all I hear is that they didn’t actually read the book.
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 10:47 am
Posted on 8/25/25 at 11:08 am to AU86
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Why did he change his name so many times?
If you read his book, his mother was a psycho that had new husbands like most people have new cars. Some were okay, some not so much. JD was moved around often and half the time lived with his Grandmother who was also seperated from her husband.
You can't blame the guy for being one confused dude until the Marines straightened him out.
I knew a few guys like this growing up and in college and they had some real issues. You can't treat a kid like an outdoor dog. JD's mom is a bad person and its a miracle he turned out okay.
His name changes were a result of frequent new homes and "father" figures. It takes a lot for the average kid to find themselves, so the extra uncertainty and frequent moves for JD could really screw a kid up.
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 11:10 am
Posted on 8/25/25 at 11:15 am to GumboPot
He’s obviously a sharp guy. Obama was sharp as well. He’s a lefty lunatic but he’s sharp. Get over it, loser.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 11:16 am to tadman
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JD's mom is a bad person and its a miracle he turned out okay.
By her own admission, she made a lot of mistakes. Also seems to be doing what she can to clean it up, including 10 years of sobriety.
I’d hold off on the “is a bad person” line, at least as long as she can keep this up.
Redemption and all that.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 1:18 pm to Ag Zwin
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JD's mom is a bad person and its a miracle he turned out okay.
By her own admission, she made a lot of mistakes. Also seems to be doing what she can to clean it up, including 10 years of sobriety.
I’d hold off on the “is a bad person” line, at least as long as she can keep this up.
Redemption and all that.
Yeah that's a fair point. I know of a few people that have really pulled out of a tailspin and tried to do better for their family and I really admire that. And it seems JD has done really well in life despite the tornado raging around him.
I guess I'm a little hard on people now that I'm a parent, and I see how much we imprint on our kids. I regret cursing too much or yelling at people on the phone when my kids see that, as they learn to do it.
I also know a few guys from my earlier years who had parents like that and saw the damage it did and the anger it built in them. I hate that it tipped them so hard to a bad place.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 1:19 pm to roadGator
quote:Just because he doesn't do meth, now, come on.
As someone from Appalachia, he isn’t a hillbilly.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 1:35 pm to tadman
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I guess I'm a little hard on people now that I'm a parent, and I see how much we imprint on our kids.
I get that, bigly.
My dad’s father was shot and killed before he was even born. Mom died when he was 11. Lived his teen years living under a lean-to in the back yard of his paternal grandma’s house. The house was so small that she slept in the one bedroom and my dad’s uncle (who never moved out) lived on the couch in the living room.
He had very little parental guidance. Made mistakes with me that left an imprint. As I got older and learned his story from others, I marveled at what good job he’d done with so little example.
I made mistakes with my boys, too, but (hopefully) nothing permanently scarring. They both come see us all the time, so can’t be too bad.
All that to say, I am a big advocate that in the damage in our urban ghettos (and, increasingly, in the rural white areas Vance descibes) the biggest factor in the decay is the lack of an intact family with a father in the house. It’s pretty much the main point of his book.
Don’t have kids before you get married.
If you get married, take the vows seriously and live up to them when the going gets rough.
Don’t have kids you can’t support financially, emotionally, and spiritually.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 1:42 pm to GumboPot
Are you planning on adding the part about planting cabbages later? I am here for the cabbages.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 1:49 pm to GumboPot
Differences between Obama and Vance:
- Vance is a U.S. Citizen (born in the U.S.A.)
- Vance's records are not sealed
- Vance isn't married to an America hating dude
- Vance actually showed up and worked while in the Senate
- Vance is a U.S. Citizen (born in the U.S.A.)
- Vance's records are not sealed
- Vance isn't married to an America hating dude
- Vance actually showed up and worked while in the Senate
Posted on 8/25/25 at 1:52 pm to MintBerry Crunch
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Vance 2028 and nobody else
Genuinely don't understand your criticism
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He was born James Donald Bowman in Middletown, Ohio, on Aug. 2, 1984, his middle and last names the same as his biological father, Donald Bowman
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When he was about 6, his mother, Beverly, married for the third time. He was adopted by his new stepfather, Robert Hamel, and his mother renamed him James David Hamel.
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When his mother erased Donald Bowman from his and her lives, the adoption process also erased the name James Donald Bowman from the public record
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I shared a name with no one I really cared about (which bothered me already), and with Bob gone, explaining why my name was J.D. Hamel would require a few additional awkward moments,” he writes in “Hillbilly Elegy.” “Yeah, my legal father’s last name is Hamel. You haven’t met him because I don’t see him. No, I don’t know why I don’t see him. Of all the things that I hated about my childhood, nothing compared to the revolving door of father figures.” So he decided to change his name again, to Vance — the last name of his beloved Mamaw, the grandmother who raised him.
This. I grew up in VERY similar circumstances to JD. When I watched Hillbilly Elogy, it really hit home for me. I never knew my biological father. He was an older man, married with kids, didn't claim me and was never a part of my life. My mother was 17 when she was pregnant with me and I am an only child. I was born and of course had my Mom's last name. My Mom married my stepdad when I was a young kid. They changed my last name when I was a young teenager to his/their last name. I hated that motherfricker and left home at 18 and moved as far away as I could. I hated having his last name and had considered for years changing my last name again to get rid of that POS's last name but I feel like I had it too long and was too old to change it again. Everyone knows me by that last name. I have wanted to change it back to my Mom's maiden name and my Grandfather's last name... because he was the closest thing I have ever had in my life to a real father figure. We moved away from our family, over a 1000 miles, so I grew up without him being around the last several years of my childhood living with my Mom... but from the time I was born until 10 years old, he was present and instrumental in my life. It really sucked when we moved so far away from him and the rest of my extended family.
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 8/25/25 at 1:56 pm to Diamondawg
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“Pray For a Good Winter, but Plant Lots of Cabbages”
Diamondawg
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As someone from Appalachia, he isn’t a hillbilly.
Just because he doesn't do meth, now, come on.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 2:38 pm to GumboPot
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DeSantis, Rubio or Vance
Our bench is overloaded - wish we could spread them out a bit.
Vance is the youngest but seemingly the most likely.
any of them would be a prize.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 3:55 pm to Powerman
True. He’s way too much of an idiot to have any way of thinking independently.
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