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re: Post Mortem: Who Is To Blame For DeSantis’ Horrible Showing In Iowa?
Posted on 1/16/24 at 6:47 pm to Powerman
Posted on 1/16/24 at 6:47 pm to Powerman
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Is that Ukraine post supposed to be some evidence of something important?
Yes, yes it is.
It may be news to you but the political machinations that ultimately contributed to the ongoing war in the hinterlands of Eastern Europe is a pretty big deal.
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Because I can promise you almost no primary voters even know who tf she is in the first place
I wouldn’t necessarily argue against that.
This post was edited on 1/16/24 at 6:50 pm
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Posted on 1/16/24 at 6:57 pm to Toomer Deplorable
The voters?
Posted on 1/16/24 at 8:35 pm to Toomer Deplorable
The success of DeSantis’ campaign hinged on his new rival being imprisoned.
Yes, Ron is a good – even great – candidate. Yes, he’s an accomplished governor. Yes, he’s more conservative than Trump. But Trump’s base is immovable. Supporters of DeSantis can say “Trump put a leash on him” or they can denigrate republican voters for not being true conservatives. They can say whatever makes them feel morally or intellectually superior to the average working-class Trump supporter. But those justifications require one to completely ignore the circumstances and events of the past 8 years that have led to the galvanizing and solidifying of Trump’s base. The majority of those who have and will vote for Trump, also voted for McCain and Romney, and in primaries, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson and Rand Paul. And, who in the absence of Trump would gladly have voted for Ron DeSantis. Regarding true conservative Ron DeSantis, the GOP establishment donors who once backed him are now pouring untold millions into the campaign of Nikki Haley, a blatantly corrupt neocon who no one asked for.
Yes, Ron is a good – even great – candidate. Yes, he’s an accomplished governor. Yes, he’s more conservative than Trump. But Trump’s base is immovable. Supporters of DeSantis can say “Trump put a leash on him” or they can denigrate republican voters for not being true conservatives. They can say whatever makes them feel morally or intellectually superior to the average working-class Trump supporter. But those justifications require one to completely ignore the circumstances and events of the past 8 years that have led to the galvanizing and solidifying of Trump’s base. The majority of those who have and will vote for Trump, also voted for McCain and Romney, and in primaries, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson and Rand Paul. And, who in the absence of Trump would gladly have voted for Ron DeSantis. Regarding true conservative Ron DeSantis, the GOP establishment donors who once backed him are now pouring untold millions into the campaign of Nikki Haley, a blatantly corrupt neocon who no one asked for.
This post was edited on 1/16/24 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:41 pm to Toomer Deplorable
quote:
Post Mortem: Who Is To Blame For DeSantis’ Horrible Showing In Iowa?
Trumps popularity.
DeSantis is a good candidate, but the conservative base is super loyal to Trump and you have to take digs at the opposing candidates in a primary.
Criticizing Dear Lea... Er... Trump = heresy.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:44 pm to Azkiger
Yeah I’ve noticed that criticism of Desantis is received very rationally and calmly. 
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:44 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Himself. As I said in another thread.
Bc Ron was persuaded by the money. He wavered on his convictions and submitted to his new deep state handlers.
Watch him just 2-3 yrs ago and compare to now. Doesn’t even seem like the same man.
Bc Ron was persuaded by the money. He wavered on his convictions and submitted to his new deep state handlers.
Watch him just 2-3 yrs ago and compare to now. Doesn’t even seem like the same man.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:45 pm to LSUAngelHere1
Don’t forget to donate to Trump. He needs that for his lawyers.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:46 pm to roadGator
I believe they call it tithe
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:47 pm to Pettifogger
If they are up to date they will be let into the temple.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:47 pm to davyjones
quote:
criticism of Desantis
Rational criticism of DeSantis is received rationally. Narratives formed from fetid imaginations without support are not.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:49 pm to the808bass
Same, inversely.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:51 pm to davyjones
False.
“Trump did poorly with Covid.”
“DeSantis sHut doWn thE beAches!!!”
“Trump did poorly with Covid.”
“DeSantis sHut doWn thE beAches!!!”
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:55 pm to the808bass
Trump made a mistake hiring Bolton
Bolton is Robs mentor
And on and on and on
Bolton is Robs mentor
And on and on and on
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:55 pm to the808bass
Those don’t strike me as good examples of anything. One is a matter of opinion and the other is, well, depending on how you wish to word it isn’t exactly false.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:56 pm to roadGator
Their entire argument strategy is pure projection
Weak men calling non subservient men betas
Bolton thing
Etc
Weak men calling non subservient men betas
Bolton thing
Etc
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:57 pm to Pettifogger
I don’t know how it’s possible to make up so many lies and just be OK with it.
It’s so weird.
Almost like a…
…what’s the word I’m looking for?
It’s so weird.
Almost like a…
…what’s the word I’m looking for?
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:58 pm to davyjones
quote:
Yeah I’ve noticed that criticism of Desantis is received very rationally and calmly.
Most of DeSantis supporters would still support other non-Trump candidates, most of Trump supporters wouldn't support a non-Trump candidate. There's lots of criticism to go around, no doubt, but many Trump supporters are off the reservation.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:59 pm to roadGator
quote:
Trump made a mistake hiring Bolton
Bolton is Robs mentor
quote:
Ron DeSantis
@RonDeSantis
Proud to be endorsed for Congress by AMB John Bolton!
Posted on 1/16/24 at 11:00 pm to davyjones
To date, there has been no legitimate criticism of DeSantis shared here. All we get is he wears boots and works for Bush!
Here’s your opportunity.
Here’s your opportunity.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 11:01 pm to Azkiger
quote:
Most of DeSantis supporters would still support other non-Trump candidates, most of Trump supporters wouldn't support a non-Trump candidate.
I don’t doubt that this is your genuine belief, and who am I to say it’s definitively incorrect, but I can only say that my genuine belief is the complete opposite way around based on my observations.
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