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re: Portable Mortgages? Charles Payne said it's time

Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:17 pm to
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:17 pm to
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While looking into portable mortgages, I was introduced to assumable mortgages. Thoughts on this?
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My ex has a side hustle selling people on these

It's not a terrible idea if the situation works out well for both parties
I've been involved in a couple of loan assumptions.

Not bad if stars align AND loan is with the right lender.

With rates higher right now if can pull it off with the seller's original interest rate (bank will likely add some, and some fees- they gonna get theirs) it has become more popular.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:18 pm to
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While looking into portable mortgages, I was introduced to assumable mortgages. Thoughts on this?
Only certain loans have that ability written into the original note, generally government backed and you have to qualify same as you would for an original.

I’ve done a few, but people with sub-4 percent notes are only selling if they have to.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11847 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:21 pm to
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Your new house. Some places in US have this but its rare. It would make it easier to move up in housing opening more starter homes.


The new house valued differently with new financial conditions for the borrower and different rate conditions for that given market. This still doesn’t make any sense. They wouldn’t be able to deregulate underwriting standards to achieve this.
Posted by MintBerry Crunch
Member since Nov 2010
5806 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:23 pm to
Most people would still need to pick up additional financing, as folks generally buy more house.

However, this will never work, because though it would be popular for the people, it would make bank shareholders less money.
Posted by faraway
Member since Nov 2022
3556 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:28 pm to
charles payne is human shite. has taken a lot of money to push stuff he knows is crap. settled lawsuits so no debatable.
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
68964 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:29 pm to
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What lender would want to accept that? Serious money loss.


The debt holder has to stay with the lender, so it's potentially the difference between payoff value and continuing receiving interest for how ever many years. It could also be a hedge against riskier loans in their portfolio. I could see them being open to it for very reliable payers, depending on the opportunity cost.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25110 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:29 pm to
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Does the seller get the full home sale amount in cash in that scenario? Or just the equity?
I’d assume if they were selling one house and buying another that the cash from the sale would be rolled straight to the new purchase or into something similar to a 1031 exchange if they weren’t buying the new house at the same time as the sale of the old house
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:33 pm to
Thanks. I kept reading more. Is this a correct way to think of it?

Mortgage balance: 250k (3%)
Home sale price: 500k
Home purchase price: 750k (250k down)
Mortgage balance: 500k (3%)

Or would the bottom line be:
Mortgage balance:
250k (3%)
250k (7%)

This post was edited on 8/16/24 at 2:41 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
73037 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:37 pm to
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Yeah, it's done in UK and Canada now


Are you sure about that? I was told something different by a colleague that just moved from Texas to Toronto. He says they force you to refinance every (3 years, 5 years, I don't remember the number) to whatever the rates are at that time. He's a Sr Director at one of the world's largest companies, he doesn't typically talk out of his arse.
Posted by Lightning
Texas
Member since May 2014
3118 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:38 pm to
Most Canadian mortgages are only 5 year terms, then they "renew."

Which is a why a lot of Canadians are panicking right now, as their sweet 2020/21 rates are about to renew at higher rates...
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61971 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:39 pm to
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Then what’s the point of a 7% interest rate if everyone with a mortgage can do that?

Just lower the damn interest rate and grow the economy.




huh?

I haven't really considered all of the pluses and minuses of this proposal, but this is for already borrowed money.

New money borrowed will obviously have to be borrowed at the current rate.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
11587 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:44 pm to
Assumable mortgages are interesting, as others have mentioned.

The real solution (if there’s even a problem here) would be for house prices to react negatively to rising rates but that’s just not happening with the short supply.
Posted by welder69
Member since Sep 2018
406 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:48 pm to
Realtors are worthless
Posted by RealDawg
Dawgville
Member since Nov 2012
11186 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:52 pm to
System is antiquated as frick.

Have to do a new loan to get a divorcing spouse off in many cases.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
106987 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:55 pm to
Can I also get this on my car? Would be nice to get a new car and keep my 1.9% interest.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465806 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 3:01 pm to
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Is Charles saying that if you have 3% with say 25 years left on your current home, you can sell it and move that 3% to your new home even if current rates are at 7?


Inflation: engaged
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23326 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 3:02 pm to
My current home was supposed to have a FHA mortgage which would have been an assumable loan.

Without digging more, I'm assuming the "portable" loan is the same as an "assumable"?

My current home was a foreclosure when I bought it and I can't remember why but an FHA loan was one of the best options. I ended up not going that route because of an insurance technicality and got an in house loan from the bank I was working with.

BUT, with an assumable mortgage all that means is that your current loan can be pass on but that's it. You aren't adding money to the loan. So if you have a $400,000 mortgage and and pay down $100,000 but sell the home for $600,000 then only the $300,000 remaining balance can be passed on to the buyer. So the buyer would have to come up with a hell of a lot more than 20% most likely. I guess unless it was a new loan and you loaned more than 80%.

Here's the kicker though, FHA loans at the time were not as good of rates. Like a good .5 pt higher or so. Again I don't remember all the details, but the selling point to pay the higher Interest was that it was "assumable". I laughed at the time, but in hindsight shite it could be valuable now.
This post was edited on 8/16/24 at 3:05 pm
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
17619 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 3:05 pm to
This should have happened long ago.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16593 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 3:11 pm to
Basically impossible under the current ABS structure.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93255 posts
Posted on 8/16/24 at 3:12 pm to
Portable Mortgage? Wtf is that
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