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re: Pope Leo: ‘God does not bless any conflict’
Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:56 pm to METAL
Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:56 pm to METAL
Escalation in John 6 doesn’t automatically equal literalism. It can also reflect how strongly people are reacting to something they’re still misunderstanding.
In John, people consistently interpret Jesus physically when He’s speaking spiritually—temple, birth, water—and John 6 fits that same pattern.
The idea that Jesus always clarifies metaphors isn’t really borne out in the text. Even with Nicodemus, He explains and Nicodemus still doesn’t get it. The issue isn’t lack of explanation—it’s the framework people are bringing to what He says. His teaching repeatedly forces a shift in that framework.
On 6:63, I’m not saying Jesus is denying His own flesh. He’s contrasting physical understanding with spiritual meaning, which is consistent with how John presents these misunderstandings throughout the Gospel.
And on “this is my body,” Jesus uses “I am” language symbolically in multiple places. So the question isn’t whether something real is happening—it’s whether “real” requires a physical transformation or points to a deeper dependence on Him.
I don’t see the text requiring a literal interpretation, which is why I don’t think it’s fair to say other views are “missing” the teaching.
In John, people consistently interpret Jesus physically when He’s speaking spiritually—temple, birth, water—and John 6 fits that same pattern.
The idea that Jesus always clarifies metaphors isn’t really borne out in the text. Even with Nicodemus, He explains and Nicodemus still doesn’t get it. The issue isn’t lack of explanation—it’s the framework people are bringing to what He says. His teaching repeatedly forces a shift in that framework.
On 6:63, I’m not saying Jesus is denying His own flesh. He’s contrasting physical understanding with spiritual meaning, which is consistent with how John presents these misunderstandings throughout the Gospel.
And on “this is my body,” Jesus uses “I am” language symbolically in multiple places. So the question isn’t whether something real is happening—it’s whether “real” requires a physical transformation or points to a deeper dependence on Him.
I don’t see the text requiring a literal interpretation, which is why I don’t think it’s fair to say other views are “missing” the teaching.
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:58 pm to METAL
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Francis was a heretic
How can you possibly say that the Catholic Church is the "only option" for Christians and follow that up with calling the pope a heretic
Do you not see the problem with that?
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:59 pm to hawgfaninc
Really? Samuel 15 1-19:
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Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord. 2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
4 So Saul summoned the men and mustered them at Telaim—two hundred thousand foot soldiers and ten thousand from Judah. 5 Saul went to the city of Amalek and set an ambush in the ravine. 6 Then he said to the Kenites, “Go away, leave the Amalekites so that I do not destroy you along with them; for you showed kindness to all the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt.” So the Kenites moved away from the Amalekites.
7 Then Saul attacked the Amalekites all the way from Havilah to Shur, near the eastern border of Egypt. 8 He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword. 9 But Saul and the army spared Agag and the best of the sheep and cattle, the fat calves[b] and lambs—everything that was good. These they were unwilling to destroy completely, but everything that was despised and weak they totally destroyed.
10 Then the word of the Lord came to Samuel: 11 “I regret that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions.” Samuel was angry, and he cried out to the Lord all that night.
12 Early in the morning Samuel got up and went to meet Saul, but he was told, “Saul has gone to Carmel. There he has set up a monument in his own honor and has turned and gone on down to Gilgal.”
13 When Samuel reached him, Saul said, “The Lord bless you! I have carried out the Lord’s instructions.”
14 But Samuel said, “What then is this bleating of sheep in my ears? What is this lowing of cattle that I hear?”
15 Saul answered, “The soldiers brought them from the Amalekites; they spared the best of the sheep and cattle to sacrifice to the Lord your God, but we totally destroyed the rest.”
16 “Enough!” Samuel said to Saul. “Let me tell you what the Lord said to me last night.”
“Tell me,” Saul replied.
17 Samuel said, “Although you were once small in your own eyes, did you not become the head of the tribes of Israel? The Lord anointed you king over Israel. 18 And he sent you on a mission, saying, ‘Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; wage war against them until you have wiped them out.’ 19 Why did you not obey the Lord? Why did you pounce on the plunder and do evil in the eyes of the Lord?”
Romans 13 1-4:
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Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
In both the Old and New Testaments we have God justifying violence committed by what we now consider heads of state. And those are just two quick and easy examples.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 1:00 pm to METAL
He has multiple names because of language barriers and Jesus spoke Aramaic. There is no significance to his “name”, similarly to Simon and Judas or Thaddaeus. Jesus stated many times that his Kingdom is spiritual, not Earthly, and if it were Earthly then it would cause conflict which is precisely what had occurred. Catholics are correct about one thing and that was intent for there to be one Church and one doctrine but that ship sailed long ago
Posted on 4/10/26 at 1:31 pm to METAL
Have protestants on here really been harsh towards Catholics or to the Pope though? I'm a Bible belt protestant and the son and grandson of Baptist ministers but I always speak up for Catholics when I hear somebody disparage yall as a group. The Pope 100% deserves the criticism. He has been straight up pushing false teachings and borderline heresy since taking the position. He can't separate his personal beliefs and politics from the biblical teachings. If the Pope is gonna represent the entire Catholic wing you should have a way to hold him more accountable or at least make it clear that while he has a place of authority he doesn't necessarily represent all Catholics on all things. I believe we are all brothers in sisters in the Christian faith and should be united now more than ever.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 4/10/26 at 1:34 pm to idlewatcher
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does that guy ever stfu? Good lord. He feels the need to involve himself and his stupid takes into every little thing
I believe you're thinking of the last Pope.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 1:57 pm to hawgfaninc
Guy really needs to research the history of Moses and then Joshua.
They eliminated societies.
Ask Jericho.
They eliminated societies.
Ask Jericho.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:14 pm to MemphisGuy
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Did the God that the muslims worship send his only Son as a payment for our sins so that we not suffer eternal damnation in hell? If not, then no, they don't.
Do you believe that Jews worship the same God that Christians worship?
Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:24 pm to Simplemaaan
quote:Societies? As in ... civilizations?
They eliminated societies.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:25 pm to METAL
quote:That's true. Catholicism is full of horrifically flawed popes, while Protestantism has none. No argument there
Even horrifically flawed popes that are not immune to making errors somehow still end up being Catholic though.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 3:00 pm to TulsaSooner78
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Do you believe that Jews worship the same God that Christians worship?
Same God, but not the Trinity.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 3:03 pm to JellyRoll
Hopefully leo renounces his sin and converts to Christianity
Posted on 4/10/26 at 3:03 pm to hawgfaninc
Leo it is obvious you were elected as the 1st American pope because the Americans had elected a very strong pro-American POTUS.
Who do you really work for, Leo?
Who do you really work for, Leo?
Posted on 4/10/26 at 3:07 pm to hawgfaninc
Coulda, shoulda ….
Posted on 4/10/26 at 3:08 pm to hawgfaninc
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Pope Leo: ‘God does not bless any conflict’
This is blatantly false. This pope is a false prophet.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 3:09 pm to TulsaSooner78
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Muslims worship the god of Abraham, just like Jews and Christians.
They certainly believe they do, but they do not.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 3:14 pm to hawgfaninc
A bunch of protestants are mad that the pope isn’t endorsing the shabbos goy war in the Middle East lol
Posted on 4/10/26 at 3:14 pm to Barstools
Wait, what? shite, all but 3 or 4 in the 1700 year history of Popes were retarded in some sense. We don't complain much because we can sell beer at school fairs.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 3:43 pm to RoyalWe
Another Chat GPT response. Cognitive dissonance.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 3:45 pm to GeauxBurrow312
You don’t see the fallacy with your argument do you?
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