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Posted on 9/16/25 at 8:59 am to Loco Uno
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So, all the college football fans sudenly become Seventh Day Adventists so they get Saturday off?
"Reasonable accommodations" are all that is required. They simply have to attempt to make a reasonable accommodation and document if it isn't possible to do that.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 8:59 am to imjustafatkid
Doesn't this open the door more for other religions to do their weird stuff and take time off?
Posted on 9/16/25 at 8:59 am to imjustafatkid
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We should get rid of the EEOC
Agree.
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If we aren't going to do that, then we should enforce them equally
Ok, if you see this as wielding a weapon against them in the hopes that they'll agree the weapon sucks so we should disarm, I can see how it could have a positive impact. As a standalone issue it's absurd.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:00 am to i am dan
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Doesn't this open the door more for other religions to do their weird stuff and take time off?
In my experience, every business I've ever worked for already does accommodate every weird religion, just not Christianity.
This post was edited on 9/16/25 at 9:02 am
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:01 am to Flats
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Ok, if you see this as wielding a weapon against them in the hopes that they'll agree the weapon sucks so we should disarm, I can see how it could have a positive impact. As a standalone issue it's absurd.
It's not something I would ever have sued over, but this is where we are. We should have been doing things like this all along and this stuff would have gone away a long time ago.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:02 am to imjustafatkid
I worship at Tiger Stadium and need every Saturday off.
This is BS. Not hiring someone because they cannot work a certain day that you need them is completely logical. I don't care about the reason.
What if Sunday is an important day for your business? What if Sunday is the specific shift you are hiring for?
This is BS. Not hiring someone because they cannot work a certain day that you need them is completely logical. I don't care about the reason.
What if Sunday is an important day for your business? What if Sunday is the specific shift you are hiring for?
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:05 am to imjustafatkid
What happens when a cook who’s muslim says he can’t work with pork products? Or any meats that are non-halal?
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:08 am to TheHarahanian
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What happens when a cook who’s muslim says he can’t work with pork products? Or any meats that are non-halal?
The hope (a naive one IMO) appears to be that cases like PF Chang will convince the left that this stuff is stupid and harmful so we get rid of it.
Given the current state of the government and judiciary I find your outcome much, much more likely.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:08 am to TheHarahanian
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What happens when a cook who’s muslim says he can’t work with pork products? Or any meats that are non-halal?
I can tell you, 100%, restaurants already work around this as much as is reasonable, and they have been for over a decade because it's been over a decade since I've worked in restaurants.
Honestly, the real problems with these types of people is they never taste test the food they're preparing. They have no idea if what they've prepared using things they won't eat tastes any good at all.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:09 am to Flats
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If I need someone for 8 hours/day and their religion says they have to stop and pray to Mecca, very loudly, for 10 minutes every hour on the hour, I shouldn't be forced to hire them.
Not only do you have to hire them, you have to provide them an appropriate area for praying and ensure all other employees convert to Islam so as not to offend the Muslim you hired.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:11 am to PsychTiger
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Not only do you have to hire them, you have to provide them an appropriate area for praying and ensure all other employees convert to Islam so as not to offend the Muslim you hired.
And if you are a restaurant, pork leaves the menu.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:14 am to Flats
You misunderstand. You have to offer “reasonable accommodations.” PF Changs is open 7-days per week and 12 hours per day. Instead of “accommodating” his request for Sundays off to practice his faith, they refused to hire him on that basis. That’s blatant religious discrimination. What the restaurant could have done, is say, we will agree not to schedule you for the day shifts on Sunday so you can attend worship services, but we cannot keep you off our schedule completely for Sundays because it would pose a burden to our business and other employees.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:15 am to PsychTiger
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Not only do you have to hire them, you have to provide them an appropriate area for praying and ensure all other employees convert to Islam so as not to offend the Muslim you hired.
Other than the "ensure all other employees convert to Islam" part, the rest of what you said is absolutely true. If it is possible to accommodate this request, you must. The difference between Christians and Muslims is Muslims have been suing about this for decades. This is literally one of the examples on the EEOC's own website, from BEFORE the Supreme Court ruled something simply being "more than a de minimis cost" was not an unreasonable accommodation. LINK
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3. What are some common religious accommodations sought in the workplace?
Applicants and employees may obtain exceptions to rules or policies in order to follow their religious beliefs or practices. Remember that employers may grant these accommodations for religious reasons but still refuse to grant them for secular reasons. Examples of common religious accommodations include:
1. an employee needs an exception to the company's dress and grooming code for a religious practice, e.g., Pentecostal Christian woman who does not wear pants or short skirts; a Muslim woman who wears a religious headscarf (hijab); or a Jewish man who wears a skullcap (yarmulke).
The EEOC has developed a technical assistance document "Religious Garb and Grooming in the Workplace: Rights and Responsibilities" along with a fact sheet explaining these issues due to the frequency of their occurrence.
2. a Catholic employee needs a schedule change so that he can attend church services on Good Friday;
3. an atheist needs to be excused from the religious invocation offered at the beginning of staff meetings;
4. a Christian pharmacy employee needs to be excused from filling birth control prescriptions , or a Jehovah's Witness seeks to change job tasks at a factory so that he will not have to work on producing war weapons;
5. an adherent to Native American spiritual beliefs needs unpaid leave to attend a ritual ceremony, or a Muslim employee needs a break schedule that will permit daily prayers at prescribed times;
6. an employee needs accommodation of a religious belief that working on his Sabbath is prohibited.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:16 am to imjustafatkid
So should Jewish people be allowed all Saturday’s off to get a job ? Is this ruling about religious celebratory freedom as some choose to celebrate daily, others not at all but if you are giving specific days off for some then wouldn’t all decide that hey I don’t want to work on Sunday ? When a person is hired for shift work in retail or something like petrochemical plants they are hired knowing that certain time frames will change depending upon needs. Normally people who need certain days or times off work this out as needed. But to hold a company responsible because they have needs to service their businesses and you cannot fill those needs is ridiculous. How is this any different than say not hiring someone who wants all daytimes off because of their right to practice their 2 amendment rights during hunting season?
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:18 am to Loco Uno
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So, all the college football fans suddenly become Seventh Day Adventists so they get Saturday off?
yeah but as I recall SDA is vegetarian too, so with that I'm out
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:18 am to imjustafatkid
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Other than the "ensure all other employees convert to Islam" part, the rest of what you said is absolutely true.
I wasn't trying to give a true answer.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:19 am to Nosevens
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So should Jewish people be allowed all Saturday’s off to get a job ?
According to current US law? Yes. I provided a link directly before your post where this is specifically listed on the EEOC's website as a specific example of an accommodation you MUST make.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:19 am to imjustafatkid
So if you have a business that makes much of its revenue on Sundays(as is the case with many restaurants) I guess you’re SOL?
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:20 am to Nosevens
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If employees have problems working shifts then should they really expect working at places that require shifts ?
This right here. This!
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