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Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 12:14 pm to
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If you dont believe in creation the odds are even worse. The development of life on this planet defied all of how we see matter usually act...tending towards disruption and disorganization.
The claim that life is more "organized" than non-life is a common argument from creationists. As if life somehow violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It does not.

And I disagree with the idea that life "defies" how matter usually acts. Yes, most matter is not alive, but just about everywhere we look on this planet there is life. Nearly every nook and cranny harbors some kind of living matter. From the coldest places, to the hottest desert, to the extreme pressure and darkness of the deep sea, floating in the sky to miles underground. It seems that once life begins, it spreads absolutely everywhere, and can adapt to any environment.

Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 12:29 pm to
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And I disagree with the idea that life "defies" how matter usually acts. Yes, most matter is not alive, but just about everywhere we look on this planet there is life. Nearly every nook and cranny harbors some kind of living matter. From the coldest places, to the hottest desert, to the extreme pressure and darkness of the deep sea, floating in the sky to miles underground. It seems that once life begins, it spreads absolutely everywhere, and can adapt to any environment.
"Life" certainly seems to be a very persistent, resilient thing, on Earth. You have stuff living in caustic hot springs, etc. There are bacteria that actually grow and thrive- in concentrated Lysol solutions

Given what we see here on the microscopic level, it's completely insane to think there's no life elsewhere.
Posted by beerJeep
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 12:37 pm to
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personally believe there will be some sort of bombshell discovery regarding something about earth, either its physical history or the history of life on it or the history of human life on it, that will be discovered in my lifetime


What you’re looking for lies under the oceans of sand, water, and ice.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 1:09 pm to
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personally believe there will be some sort of bombshell discovery regarding something about earth, either its physical history or the history of life on it or the history of human life on it, that will be discovered in my lifetime

What you’re looking for lies under the oceans of sand, water, and ice.


Ask and you shall receive...

One of the first mental obstacles to overcome is the consideration that we are not the pinnacle of evolution and that surface life / constructs may have been rebooted /changed / wiped periodically...

I will bump an older thread for full context (comet strike 12K years ago...)

https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium-israeli-archaeologists-find-hidden-pattern-at-gobekli-tepe-1.8799837

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Israeli Archaeologists Find Hidden Pattern at ‘World’s Oldest Temple’ Göbekli Tepe

Neolithic hunter-gatherers who erected massive monoliths in central Turkey 11,500 years ago had command of geometry and a much more complex society than previously thought, archaeologists say

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Apr 28, 2020 12:12 PM


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The enigmatic monoliths built some 11,500 years ago at Göbekli Tepe have been puzzling archaeologists and challenging preconceptions about prehistoric culture since their discovery in the 1990s. Chiefly, how could hunter-gatherers with a supposedly primitive societal structure build such monumental stone circles on this barren hilltop in what is today southeastern Turkey? How could a largely nomadic society at the dawn of agriculture marshal the resources and know-how to create what its discoverers have dubbed the oldest known temple in the world?
If anything, a discovery by Israeli archaeologists suggests the Göbekli Tepe construction project was even more complex than previously thought, and required an amount of planning and resources thought to be impossible for those times. Their study of the three oldest stone enclosures at Göbekli Tepe has revealed a hidden geometric pattern, specifically an equilateral triangle, underlying the entire architectural plan of these structures.


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Thus, thousands of years before the invention of writing or the wheel, the builders of Göbekli Tepe evidently had some understanding of geometric principles and could apply them to their construction plans, concludes the study published in January in the Cambridge Archaeological Journal.
“The initial discovery of the site was a big surprise and we are now showing that its construction was even more complex than we thought,” says Haklay, an Israel Antiquities Authority archaeologist and a PhD candidate at Tel Aviv University.


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An unexpected pattern
The new study focused on enclosures B,C, and D, which are known to be slightly older than A. Based on the assumption that such a massive construction project would have been beyond the capacities of the small, non-sedentary groups that usually comprise hunter-gatherer societies, most scholars have assumed that all the circles at Göbekli Tepe had to have been built gradually over a long period of time.
“There is a lot of speculation that the structures were built successively, possibly by different groups of people, and that one was covered up while the next one was being built. But there is no evidence that they are not contemporaneous,” Haklay tells Haaretz.



Argues againsts the gradualists

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The new world order
How and why Neolithic hunter-gatherers would mobilize the massive resources needed to build Göbekli Tepe and other sites like it is the subject of much speculation. While some researchers have interpreted the structures as residential spaces, most archaeologists see little evidence of this and consider the sheer monumentality of the complex and the richness of its iconography as evidence of a ritual purpose.




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This suggests that the builders understood and wished to represent the idea of a hierarchy, perhaps intending to crystalize the new order of a less equal and more stratified society, Haklay and Gopher maintain.
The stratification was not limited to human relations: it suggests a change in the perceived relationship between humans and nature, the archaeologists suggest. That’s because of what is found at the top of the triangle, at the center of enclosure D.


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“In Paleolithic art humans are rare, and this is true here as well, but you start to see change, the beginning of an anthropocentric world view in which animals and plants are no longer equal to humans but are subordinated to them,” Gopher tells Haaretz.
In other words, Göbekli Tepe may have been designed, consciously or unconsciously, to represent and perhaps explain humanity’s growing ability to manipulate its environment, which, in the coming centuries, would lead to the first domesticated crops in this very region, the researchers say.
"The end of the hunter-gatherer lifestyle is more of an ideological transformation than an economic or technological one,” Gopher maintains. “Hunter-gatherers cannot domesticate anything, it’s against their world view, which is based on equality and trust. Once that ideology changes, the entire structure of society is transformed and a new world is born.


This is when we "left the garden" for better or worse...
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 1:41 pm to
Oh, Harry Reid weighed in on this...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-american-people-deserve-to-be-informed-harry-reid-says-ufo-footage-only-scratches-the-surface

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'The American people deserve to be informed': Harry Reid says UFO footage 'only scratches the surface'

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| April 27, 2020 09:18 PM

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Former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid praised the Pentagon’s release of UFO footage but said it "only scratches the surface" of information the public should know.

"I’m glad the Pentagon is finally releasing this footage, but it only scratches the surface of research and materials available,” the Nevada Democrat tweeted Monday. “The U.S. needs to take a serious, scientific look at this and any potential national security implications. The American people deserve to be informed.”


Words matter
"Surface" is an intersting choice of words

Some argue what is being seen may be based deep under the ocean and deep underground and within the Earth (honeycomb earth)

Ever wonder why James Cameron may be intersted in exploring the depths of the oceans??? And intersested in space /sci-fi/time travel/downloading and uploading conciousness...









Cameron shares his namesake with a main player in the MK-ULTRA lore (Dr Ewing Cameron), but that is mainly "speculation"...
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 1:52 pm to
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I don't think Adolph would share.


People joke about the Nazi angle, but there is some evidence that they were experimenting with potential esoteric technologies outside the accepted/standard science framework. New, out-of-the-box methods of flying without your typical ways of propulsion (i.e. anti-gravity effects, electromagnetic). They could have had successful prototypes by 1945 because they were definitely trying to work out things as early as 1941. The Haunebu I, II, and III.

The raid of their scientists and data after the war during Project Paperclip may explain such crashes that were happening between 1945 and the early 50's near some of our most critical military bases in the southwest. It could have been us testing such prototypes.

The alien angle would just be cover for our secret military projects. It's been at least 90 years since experiments were started with scientists like Tesla thinking outside the box. I just happen to think we have made some headway since then.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 2:08 pm
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:05 pm to
Michael Schratt is an aviation historian that does a good job explaining some of the bigger mass sightings (Belgian Wave, Hudson Valley, Phoenix Lights, etc.), and I agree with him. Simply put, we have craft that could pass for an extraterrestrial UFO.

He has some lectures on YouTube that are quite impressive.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 2:06 pm
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:11 pm to
I highly doubt somebody like Trump is in the loop.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:18 pm to
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People joke about the Nazi angle, but there is some evidence that they were experimenting with potential esoteric technologies outside the accepted/standard science framework. New, out-of-the-box methods of flying without your typical ways of propulsion (i.e. anti-gravity effects, electromagnetic). They could have had successful prototypes by 1945 because they were definitely trying to work out things as early as 1941. The Haunebu I, II, and III.

The raid of their scientists and data after the war during Project Paperclip may explain such crashes that were happening between 1945 and the early 50's near some of our most critical military bases in the southwest. It could have been us testing such prototypes.

The alien angle would just be cover for our secret military projects.


Yes
The Nazis would have been the most likely breakaway society...

They did not actually "lose" the war. They pivoted...
Every good diversion involves faking your own death

They left stay behind forces to infiltrate/divert
Project Paperclip outlines this

Infiltrate and subvert (use the US to weaken Russia, then destroy the US from within)
Infiltrate NASA and take "science" as far as possible away from truely revolutionary thinking. Advanced rocketry was the superficial con and a way to get us to invest in a limited hangout of sorts, while they kept the advanced tech sheltered (which we catch glimpses of...)

They infiltrated the IC and government to comprise most of the core of what we now call the Deep State

They infiltrated science and public health to make broad recommendations that are completely counter to what is accurate...

https://www.nature.com/news/treat-obesity-as-physiology-not-physics-1.12014

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Treat obesity as physiology, not physics
The energy in–energy out hypothesis is not set in stone, argues Gary Taubes. It is time to test hormonal theories about why we get fat.

12 December 2012


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As a science journalist turned science historian, I have written at length about how and why this may have happened in obesity research. I have suggested that the discipline may be a house of cards — as, by extension, may much research into the chronic diseases associated with obesity, such as diabetes.

Before the Second World War, European investigators believed that obesity was a hormonal or regulatory disorder. Gustav von Bergmann, a German authority on internal medicine, proposed this hypothesis in the early 1900s.

The theory evaporated with the war. After the lingua franca of science switched from German to English, the German-language literature on obesity was rarely cited. (Imagine the world today if physicists had chosen to ignore the thinking that emerged from Germany and Austria before the war.)

Instead, physicians embraced the ideas of the University of Michigan physician Louis Newburgh, who argued that obese individuals had a “perverted appetite” that failed to match the calories that they consumed with their bodies' metabolic needs. “All obese persons are alike in one fundamental respect,” Newburgh insisted, “they literally overeat.” This paradigm of energy balance/overeating/gluttony/sloth became the conventional, unquestioned explanation for why we get fat. It is, as Bernard would say, the fixed idea.

This history would be no more than an interesting footnote in obesity science if there were not compelling reason to believe that the overeating hypothesis has failed. In the United States, and elsewhere, obesity and diabetes rates have climbed to crisis levels in the time that Newburgh's energy-balance idea has held sway, despite the ubiquity of the advice based on it: if we want to lose fat, we have to eat less and/or move more. Yet rather than blame the advice, we have taken to blaming individuals for not following it 'properly'.


This was purposeful. The Germans had the physiology figured out a long time ago. Some were quite happy to see recommendations issued counter to reality. Hence the slow destruction of the ever increasingly obese American population (big factor right now for covid patients)

Uploading consciousness (in a movie about military mind control programs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3_ZO-6IqjY

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Uncovering The Past / Arnim Zola Scene - Captain America: The Winter Soldier [4K Ultra HD]
115,661 views•Aug 22, 2017





Themes in the clip are very relevant today...
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 2:22 pm
Posted by Hunter_H_Helmsley
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:29 pm to
i don't think movie clips are going to help you make your point. maybe you should try connecting the followers at the base of the giza pyramid and how that walks to the present day.

only saying this because you're on the verge of losing any audience you have. try to read more on the navajo and zuni beliefs on the natural order of things.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:48 pm to
Yea, I don't buy any of that bull crap. You left out the rest of the article on fats and physiology.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 2:56 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:50 pm to
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i don't think movie clips are going to help you make your point. maybe you should try connecting the followers at the base of the giza pyramid and how that walks to the present day.

only saying this because you're on the verge of losing any audience you have. try to read more on the navajo and zuni beliefs on the natural order of things.


I am not intersted in the modern notion of an "audience"
This is a discussion board. Discuss things...

The movie clips reinforce a predictive programming mindest by those that are behind the scenes. Hollywood is immensely compromised and is indeed soft mind control. It was selected as the medium of choice for propaganda for a good reason

I do indeed follow the beliefs of many cultures
We discuss these deeper things in other threads
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:53 pm to
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Yea, I don't buy any of that bull crap.


Your beliefs are not required...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=IF0jxZ03fhk

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The Breakaway Civilization with Jason Reza Jorjani
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Jason Reza Jorjani, PhD, is a philosopher and author of Prometheus and Atlas, World State of Emergency, Lovers of Sophia, Novel Folklore: The Blind Owl of Sadegh Hedayat, and Iranian Leviathan: A Monumental History of Mithra's Abode. Here he explores the hypothesis that many UFO sightings can be attributed to a non-governmental, human organization. He proposes that this organization developed extraordinary technology in the late nineteenth century, that it was associated with German nationalists, and that it received financial support from Americans. After WWII, he speculates that this network incorporated newer technologies that had been developed by the Nazi regime. He compares this network to the Spectre organization in Ian Fleming's James Bond novels.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 3:02 pm to
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Yea, I don't buy any of that bull crap. You left out the rest of the article on fats and physiology.


Silly thread! Folks are so serious. I still want better pictures.
Posted by Catchfalaya
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 3:08 pm to
Notice the gravitational field that encompasses the objects allowing them to travel at mind-blowing speeds.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 3:15 pm to
I don't think it's good practice to use movies and fantasy to support your arguments. Have you ever considered a counterargument, or even tried to understand them? It's pretty important when you are trying to understand things and prevent your brains from falling out. A highly unlikely runaway nazi civilization has nothing to do with why everyone was lied to about carbs. It was about profits.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 3:17 pm
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 3:22 pm to
I will watch that last Youtube video later.
Posted by s2
Southdowns
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 3:23 pm to
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Pentagon concedes...
There was some debate about the sourcing/release. Not anymore..
fake news is where it's at. even the Pentagon wants to take part in it.

what happened to denying anything related to UFO's?

then there is CBS! are we suppose to believe that there is any relevance of journalism by these liars?

alien please!!

sorry; i gotta put my mask back on.
Posted by Hunter_H_Helmsley
Member since Feb 2019
112 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 3:23 pm to
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I am not intersted in the modern notion of an "audience"
This is a discussion board. Discuss things...

The movie clips reinforce a predictive programming mindest by those that are behind the scenes. Hollywood is immensely compromised and is indeed soft mind control. It was selected as the medium of choice for propaganda for a good reason


Maybe you should go read Tom O'Neill's Chaos book before you expand your hypothesis any further. Because the mkultra mind control was a combination of regular lsd usage with a psychologist, hypnotism and then the application of speed when the desired act of said subject was to occur.

it's all in the book. Jolly West was the psychiatrist for Jack Ruby, Charles Manson and everyone at the Haight-Ashbury clinic. The clinic was shut down before the book was released to protect the medical records kept. HIPPA laws make it to where that stuff is hard to obtain.

There's your discussion, o great sage. now let's talk for real instead of in the movies. movies are more of political suggestion that the mind control you speak of.

i was just trying to get you to use government reports instead of movie posters. but maybe that's too accurate for you?
Posted by flyAU
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 3:24 pm to
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The alien angle would just be cover for our secret military projects. It's been at least 90 years since experiments were started with scientists like Tesla thinking outside the box. I just happen to think we have made some headway since then.



Then just denying it would be the best approach. It's been the same thing for decades and has worked. Why change?
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