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re: Patriot Gina Carano fired by Disney
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:54 am to ThuperThumpin
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:54 am to ThuperThumpin
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comparison of conservatives to Jews in the 1930's is way off imo
Carano didn't make any comparison between Jews and conservatives, at all. She compared the tactics used by Nazis to socially sequester Jews to those being used today to sequester conservatives, Trumpers, "racists", non-mask wearers, etc.
She wasn't comparing victims, but totalitarian tactics. You obviously have to factor in the social advancements between the 1930's and now, but I challenge you to prove her wrong.
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Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:56 am to RollTide1987
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If they're going to do that, a person is well within their right to sue them in federal court.
Your political views are protected from actions taken by government against you..not private companies. Federal law does not prohibit political discrimination. Some states do have some protections. California , New York, DC, and I thin k Washington
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 9:57 am
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:58 am to Redleg Guy
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Everything you describe reinforces that it was a business decision.
Not at all. It's a political decision. In fact, there are real world examples of Disney doing things which has cratered their finances in order to push politics. They are clearly willing to take financial hits so long as doing so pushed whatever agenda they support.
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Anyone who works for Disney knows the bed they are crawling into.
With this I agree. It ought not be that way...that a company will force you to adhere to their political views in order to be employed, but it's a fact.
Though, this kind of makes me think of the whole #metoo stuff. Back when it was understood you'd need to suck a cock if you wanted role at a particular studio or to work for a particular producer. After all, those actresses knew who they were crawling in bed with, but decided to do it anyway for the ability to work. Not a perfect analogy, but not too far off either I think.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:59 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Just to point this out again...
Keep in mind, this is the LEAD on Mandalorian, and a guy that's become a pretty big star. This is a direct comparison to the Holocaust, rather than a comparison to what lead to it...and he seems to be doing just fine and I don't recall any backlash he received from this idiotic comparison.
What's truly sickening about Pascal's post is that picture isn't even from the US border. It's not even from the US. Those aren't even Mexican or Central American kids in that picture. But I'm sure Twitter hasn't censored the post or suspended Pascal for using the platform for disinformation.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 10:03 am to CamdenTiger
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So, just simple Historical truth isn’t allowed and must be stamped out
Well, I was watching Men of Honor yesterday on the History Channel... after every commercial break there was a warning about the program containing "racist language and racial violence"...
I am like, "no shite" but I am sure some were triggered that the "n" word was not bleeped out...
Posted on 2/11/21 at 10:04 am to WildManGoose
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Carano didn't make any comparison between Jews and conservatives, at all. She compared the tactics used by Nazis to socially sequester Jews to those being used today to sequester conservatives, Trumpers, "racists", non-mask wearers, etc.
I was responding to Ace Midnights remarks:
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The comparison of the early stages of what was done to the Jews (in Germany and Poland in particular) is EXTRAORDINARLY similar to what is happening with conservatives in America today
And my response to him was that conservatives do it was well. They dont control social media or Hollywood but the impetus is there.
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 10:08 am
Posted on 2/11/21 at 10:05 am to ThuperThumpin
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Your political views are protected from actions taken by government against you..not private companies.
Only if said private company equally enforces its policies. Pedro Pascal, who stars in the same show as Gina Carano did, has made repeated statements comparing Trump voters to Nazis and immigration facilities to concentration camps. Disney did not discipline him for those comments. Gina Carano does it and she's fired. That's classic discrimination.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 10:06 am to ThuperThumpin
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No but this battle will be won hopefully by rhetoric. So lets get the facts straight first. And I'm not trying to just be a contrarian or split hairs. This is very important.
It can't be won by rhetoric and debate if the very way to talk publicly about these things - via prominent people with a voice or tech and media companies who control what the public sees or HOW they see it - are shutting this kind of language down via "business decisions."
I think you are being a little idealistic here.
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 10:06 am
Posted on 2/11/21 at 10:09 am to jatilen
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We all knew this was coming. Got to silence those conservative voices...
horseshite.
How many atheists and Trump detractors in the Deep South do you think keep their thoughts to themselves because they would be roasted professionally if they were outspoken about them?
Plenty of bigots out there on all sides. It's best to stay out of religion, politics and deeply personal issues on social media.
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 10:10 am
Posted on 2/11/21 at 10:11 am to Globetrotter747
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How many atheists and Trump detractors in the Deep South do you think keep their thoughts to themselves because they would be roasted professionally if they were outspoken about them?
You proposed this... got a number to go along with it? Any comparison?
I think you will find very few have been canceled in such a manner for their religious or political views if they tend to lean left...
Posted on 2/11/21 at 10:14 am to Globetrotter747
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How many atheists and Trump detractors in the Deep South do you think keep their thoughts to themselves because they would be roasted professionally if they were outspoken about them?
My sister (no pics) is an atheist and a Trump detractor living in the Deep South who makes her opinions well known on social media. I also have plenty of friends on social media (most of whom live in the Deep South) who are BIG Trump detractors who also make sure people know it. Anecdotal evidence, to be sure, but evidence nonetheless that progressive southerners have no fear of expressing their opinions.
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 10:16 am
Posted on 2/11/21 at 10:15 am to RollTide1987
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That's classic discrimination.
As far as I know political discrimination by a private company is not against Federal law . Can someone correct me?
Posted on 2/11/21 at 10:16 am to Globetrotter747
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How many atheists and Trump detractors in the Deep South do you think keep their thoughts to themselves because they would be roasted professionally if they were outspoken about them?
Roasted, or fired and run out of an industry entirely?
If the former, maybe a few, if the latter, close to zero.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 10:18 am to Globetrotter747
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How many atheists and Trump detractors in the Deep South do you think keep their thoughts to themselves because they would be roasted professionally if they were outspoken about them?
I 100% keep this to myself in public for exactly why you say. And on a different day, at a different time in our country, I'll gladly take this topic up again and argue it.
But the problem is, pointing to this rare occasion as a moral equivalency here is absurd. The left currently controls nearly all of news media, entertainment industry, educational structures and social media. The issue at hand is leftists shutting down right leaning thought. Concerning yourself with your example is akin to being concerned about the scrape on your hand rather than the lung cancer that's ravaging your chest.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 10:18 am to ThuperThumpin
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As far as I know political discrimination by a private company is not against Federal law .
You would be correct. However, in certain states it is illegal for businesses to discriminate based on political affiliation. California, which just so happens to be the location of Walt Disney's corporate headquarters, happens to be one of those states.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 10:30 am to jatilen
Daily wire and other conservative outlets need get their steaming services and outlets to replace netflix done ASAP or else more of this BS will continue. Conservative Hollywood actors/directors/producers are going to have to join together and fight this now before it gets worse.
Also a big F U to all the actors and actresses that are standing by and not defending their co-worker.
Also a big F U to all the actors and actresses that are standing by and not defending their co-worker.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 10:37 am to Globetrotter747
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horseshite.
How many atheists and Trump detractors in the Deep South do you think keep their thoughts to themselves because they would be roasted professionally if they were outspoken about them?
Plenty of bigots out there on all sides. It's best to stay out of religion, politics and deeply personal issues on social media.
I live in probably the most "Chrisitian-ish" state in the country, whatever you want to call Mormons. The Liberal Left/Atheists are JUST as vocal as they are. They are still outnumbered, but loud. And generally unencumbered via speech.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 10:44 am to David_DJS
Liberals:
Posted on 2/11/21 at 10:47 am to ThuperThumpin
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ThuperThumpin
What she stated was and is historical fact.
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Unless I go on social media I dont see anything or encounter anything in my daily life that would make me feel marginalized or threatened as a conservative.
And what you just said is also historical fact. It was the same way in Germany. Unless they went to the areas, people out in the country never saw it.
Her comments were:
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“Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…. even by children.”
Happening now.
More of what she stated:
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“Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?”
What do you think the Political left and Antifa have done?
You can not support Trump without a mob coming after you in many areas of the USA.
You have a TRAIL going on right now that is towards a complete movement.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 10:53 am to The Maj
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I think you will find very few have been canceled in such a manner for their religious or political views if they tend to lean left...
How many high profile companies with employees that are well known around the country operate in frickin' small town Alabama and Mississippi where you generally will find the most rabid conservatives?
You think John Doe who owns a tire store in Butler, Alabama, would be wise to tout his atheistic and anti-Trump positions on social media? If he did, you think some of his customers might instead go over to Jim Smith's tire store on the other side of town since he's a deacon in the church?
The fact is a lot of people (all across the political spectrum and of different religious views) will discriminate against you if you're in the minority or oust you if you say something that might offend clients or customers.
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My sister (no pics) is an atheist and a Trump detractor living in the Deep South who makes her opinions well known on social media. I also have plenty of friends on social media (most of whom live in the Deep South) who are BIG Trump detractors who also make sure people know it. Anecdotal evidence, to be sure, but evidence nonetheless that progressive southerners have no fear of expressing their opinions.
Are they independently wealthy? Do they have a job where public perception matters? Do they have a boss who's a Trump-loving Bible thumper?
You can be an independent stock trader and it doesn't matter if the whole world hates your guts. But do you think the mayor or a high school football coach or a high profile business owner in Jackson, Mississippi, might run into problems for touting atheistic or anti-Trump views on social media?
Once gain - whether it's the Bible Belt or the liberal west coast - if you have unpopular or controversial views and people can easily pull the rug out from under you professionally, you best keep your opinions to yourself.
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But the problem is, pointing to this rare occasion as a moral equivalency here is absurd. The left currently controls nearly all of news media, entertainment industry, educational structures and social media. The issue at hand is leftists shutting down right leaning thought. Concerning yourself with your example is akin to being concerned about the scrape on your hand rather than the lung cancer that's ravaging your chest.
Conservatives would do it with the same power.
But that aside, anyone with a job needs to carefully weigh the consequences of going on a crusade on social media and if it's worth it. This Disney chick should have been smarter.
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