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re: Patriot Gina Carano fired by Disney
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:01 am to ThuperThumpin
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:01 am to ThuperThumpin
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She was fired...her speech was not restricted. If she had been supporting civil rights in the 50's she may have been fired back then too....we werent Nazi Germany back then either.
When all of the biggest companies fire group A for sharing their opinions, and NOT group B for sharing their opinions, they are only proving her point that we are on a bad path as a country where some can speak and others cannot without fear of repercussion. unless you disagree and think it's totally cool that unequal treatment of people goes on as regular business practice!
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:06 am to RollTide1987
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It was actually.
How so? Does the threat of being fired have a stifling effect on free speech...sure is that the same as having her free speech restricted? I'm still forming my opinion on this but as of right now I say no.
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Her co-star Pedro Pascal has made similar comments in the past, comparing Trump supporters to Nazis and immigration facilities to Nazi concentration camps. He wasn't fired, she was. That's discrimination and wrongful termination.
Thats shitty hypocrisy but I dont see what that has to do with the argument that her speech was restricted.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:11 am to jatilen
So, if you post a line of lies from the 1619 Project what happens?
People say they are all for historical truths (cough/cough) but then can't provide them, and/or silence those that are not a crutch to their own personal cultural agenda.
Some of you folks take this type of silencing lightly, but this is more cancel culture being delegated by the elitists in Hollyweird and supported by their political lefty overlords.
frick them. And frick any of you that think this is okay just because it is not a direct assault on you...."YET".
People say they are all for historical truths (cough/cough) but then can't provide them, and/or silence those that are not a crutch to their own personal cultural agenda.
Some of you folks take this type of silencing lightly, but this is more cancel culture being delegated by the elitists in Hollyweird and supported by their political lefty overlords.
frick them. And frick any of you that think this is okay just because it is not a direct assault on you...."YET".
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:13 am to HubbaBubba
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Jews come out swinging at ANYTHING that marginalized the Holocaust
This is true. It's almost like that's the cornerstone of their modern iteration of religion.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:17 am to tjv305
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I agree. Conservatives have been saving these companies money for years . It’s time to push the left to actually take their money . Worst case scenario the companies go out of business. That’s just less leftist donors.
This won't be tolerated by about 60% of the Right that have been duped into playing the role of useful idiot for the very people spending billions to take their country away. Don't you know that the Disney CEO is a hero? So is Bezos, Zuckerberg, Dorsey, Page, Gates, etc. It must be a jealous rage that has you suggesting these lions of capitalism should ever have to endure the politics they fund.
The Right is pretty much retarded.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:21 am to jatilen
Never heard of her but I read about this - our culture is broken - especially when you see they have rehired James Gunn after his deal...
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:24 am to jatilen
I like to say something about who's behind all this but the same people that control the entertainment industry also control all the ad shekels on the internet so we're not allowed to speak freely.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:25 am to ThuperThumpin
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Thats shitty hypocrisy but I dont see what that has to do with the argument that her speech was restricted.
You are getting way too specific and not really looking at the problem.
Was her speech legally restricted? No, of course not. You aren't wrong.
But Large Corporations are punishing a specific perspective by not allowing them to engage in free expression less their livelihood be on the line. And they are doing this along a very specific line.
They aren't restricting it, but they are holding the right to accomplish, to move up in this country, to have a job that they have had all along, to just BE WHO THEY WANT TO BE, hostage. And again, they are doing it along a very specific line.
It's isn't necessarily restricting, but it isn't far off. How do you expect someone to operate in this climate?
What you're arguing for is "As long as someone says and effectively believes the right things, they can have their life. If they don't, they can't. And that's fine, as long as their speak isn't restricted."
You're ok with thought policing?
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 9:26 am
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:26 am to HubbaBubba
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I get what you guys are saying, but I'm seeing it as a visceral response from the Jewish community which is an overreaction, but that's just how they've always reacted to any comparison to the persecution of Jews.
Just to point this out again...
Keep in mind, this is the LEAD on Mandalorian, and a guy that's become a pretty big star. This is a direct comparison to the Holocaust, rather than a comparison to what lead to it...and he seems to be doing just fine and I don't recall any backlash he received from this idiotic comparison.
At some point, it's easier just to admit that is a glaring double standard. It's the up to the individual as to whether or not that have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to that and accept the consequences, and for those around them to stand up and defend them...or not.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:30 am to m2pro
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When all of the biggest companies fire group A for sharing their opinions, and NOT group B for sharing their opinions, they are only proving her point that we are on a bad path as a country where some can speak and others cannot without fear of repercussion. unless you disagree and think it's totally cool that unequal treatment of people goes on as regular business practice!
What do you want to do about it?
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:34 am to GeauxTigerTM
Of course there is a double standard. The question is do we want the government to tell private companies how to run their businesses? Disney made a business decision. It may cost them money or make them money, that is the power of consumers in the United States. Free market is how these things work here, but they are not an “easy” button like calling in big government.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:38 am to ThuperThumpin
The UFC contract with ESPN is up in 2024. I’d love to see Dana White tell the to get lost when renewal time comes up.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:43 am to Redleg Guy
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Disney made a business decision.
Did they though? Disney is largely to blame for much of the cancel culture nonsense we have at play here. Suggesting they were only listening to the masses, when they have helped to cultivate this one sided extremism on social media is kind of absurd.
Essentially, they have a dog in this fight and it's why they have backed radical statements by others that conform with "their" viewpoints. Was there pushback and controversy in those cases? sure...just not the kind that moves Disney to act, so it gets no traction in the media Disney literally owns, and eventually dies on the vine and they can sweep it under the rug and protect the people with whom they agree, and discard those with whom they disagree.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:43 am to CamdenTiger
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Patriot Gina Carano fired by Disney So, just simple Historical truth isn’t allowed and must be stamped out
What do Dims fear more than anything?
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:46 am to ThuperThumpin
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What do you want to do about it?
Honestly...it starts small. I'm not in favor of the government stepping in and forcing anything here.
But, it first starts with letting businesses that act this way that you'll no longer support them. This happened largely because people complained. There needs to be an equal and opposite reaction here.
It also starts with individuals standing up and taking personal risks in their own lives to stand up for what they believe, or at least standing behind others when they dare to stand up. Hiding and suggesting there's nothing to be done is the best way to ensure this keeps happening.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:47 am to Freauxzen
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You're ok with thought policing?
No but this battle will be won hopefully by rhetoric. So lets get the facts straight first. And I'm not trying to just be a contrarian or split hairs. This is very important.
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 9:52 am
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:47 am to Redleg Guy
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Of course there is a double standard. The question is do we want the government to tell private companies how to run their businesses?
I have no problem with a business enforcing their own policies. That's the nature of business and has been since the beginning of time. However, I do have a problem with businesses who discriminate against certain people and selectively enforce corporate policies based on political beliefs and affiliations. If they're going to do that, a person is well within their right to sue them in federal court.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:48 am to RollTide1987
Yeah I have an issue with getting rid of someone for political beliefs.
Don't care what side you are on
Don't care what side you are on
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:50 am to GeauxTigerTM
Everything you describe reinforces that it was a business decision. Of course a company will do everything they can to make their decisions seems like the right decisions. PR exists for a reason. Disney is just very effective at it.
Anyone who works for Disney knows the bed they are crawling into.
Anyone who works for Disney knows the bed they are crawling into.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:52 am to blueboy
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the end of the day, I don't need these entertainment companies for anything. If they want to alienate massive numbers of viewers, let them sink and fail.
There are enough sheep that they will not fail.
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