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re: Patel says arrests are coming soon.

Posted on 4/20/26 at 2:32 pm to
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 4/20/26 at 2:32 pm to
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Well by the reports Kash may have drank it already


Only if you are a willing follower of The Atlantic.
Posted by Ailsa
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Posted on 4/20/26 at 2:36 pm to
Posted by CoachFranWasHere
Austin, TX
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 4/20/26 at 2:41 pm to
So is The Atlantic piece timed to make the FBI arrests look like retaliation?
Posted by Woolfpack
Member since Jun 2021
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Posted on 4/20/26 at 2:41 pm to
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Arrests are a very low bar, too.


Is this true when it comes to federal charges?
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
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Posted on 4/20/26 at 3:44 pm to
Love how The Atlantic calls it "reporting"

"Breaking! Kash Patel drinks a bunch! No seriously!"
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
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Posted on 4/20/26 at 4:31 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476280 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 4:32 pm to
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Is this true when it comes to federal charges?


In normal circumstances, no.

This is a circus built on revenge and social media clout, so you can't compare it to a normal prosecution.

A normal prosecution of Brennan, for instance, would be in DC.
This post was edited on 4/20/26 at 4:33 pm
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 6:44 am to
I forgot about this or it didn't make big headlines...

This is sad. Is this one of the reasons Bondi was fired?

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No one can blame anyone that thinks that Patel is full of crap....
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 6:45 am to
There was no crime committed there, so the DOJ not being able to even get an indictment is expected
This post was edited on 4/21/26 at 6:46 am
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 6:52 am to
Until this deeply embedded Marxist crap going against your own government is ended and fully exposed.... Nothing changes.

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Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 6:53 am to
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There was no crime committed there, so the DOJ not being able to even get an indictment is expected
When is a crime not a crime? When it's an action carried out by a Democrat, then reviewed by a DC grand jury.

The UCMJ would be far less forgiving for Sen arse-tronaut
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 6:57 am to
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The UCMJ would be far less forgiving for Sen arse-tronaut


For correctly stating the law?

When did telling the truth (regarding publicly available information) become a violation of the UCMJ?
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 7:49 am to
This is quite literally our last hope. He knows the system all right But this isn't the 1990s DOJ...

I pray For justice.

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Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 8:23 am to
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For correctly stating the law?
Which law are you referencing?

Kelly was motivating 18 to 20 year-old enlisted personnel to ignore and/or refuse orders which they interpreted as potentially illegal. That is a dangerous call. It certainly would fall within the realm of "influencing discipline of the military."

The UCMJ holds that orders are presumed lawful.
Once more, the UCMJ holds that orders are presumed lawful.

Did Kelly note that the UCMJ holds that orders are presumed lawful?

Did he note that, under the UCMJ, the burden is on the service member to demonstrate otherwise. No, he did not.

Instead Kelly's message inverted that presumption, encouraging troops to presume orders may be unlawful, encouraging reticence to obey first, rather than presuming compliance. That is punishable in the military.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85536 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 8:47 am to
Man, if firing the competent career prosecutor to install that old geezer solely because he’ll indict who you want indicted doesn’t inspire confidence, I don’t know what will!
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
6191 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 8:53 am to
Why is she talking? Why nit arrest, and stop talking. fricking lunatics keep running their mouths and lying. Next, she'll be fired, and no ine arrested. Just watch
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68171 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 8:54 am to
DeGenova is just basically another Fox News type guy.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85536 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 9:22 am to
Fox ran him off not long ago for being too much of a quack.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 9:49 am to
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Kelly was motivating 18 to 20 year-old enlisted personnel to ignore and/or refuse orders which they interpreted as potentially illegal. That is a dangerous call. It certainly would fall within the realm of "influencing discipline of the military."


Kelly is not active service and is a sitting U.S. Senator. He has protected First Amendment rights.

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Instead Kelly's message inverted that presumption, encouraging troops to presume orders may be unlawful, encouraging reticence to obey first, rather than presuming compliance. That is punishable in the military.


He is not in active service. He can speak his mind.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476280 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 9:52 am to
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Which law are you referencing?


The UCMJ

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Do I have the right to refuse illegal orders?


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Yes! All members of the military have the right, and in some cases have the duty, to refuse illegal orders. Your oath is to the Constitution (which incorporates international treaties ratified by the U.S. on human rights and the law of war), not to the Commander-In-Chief or to any other individual in the chain of command.

Under the UCMJ, a servicemember may be punished by court-martial for failure to obey any lawful general order or regulation. The UCMJ does not define what “lawful” means. The Rules for Courts-Martial say that an order is lawful, “unless it is contrary to the Constitution, the laws of the United States, or lawful superior orders or for some other reason is beyond the authority of the official issuing it.” The Rules go on to say that, “This inference does not apply to a patently illegal order, such as one that directs the commission of a crime.” Finally, the Rules say, “The lawfulness of an order is a question of law to be determined by the military judge.” That determination normally can be made only after a servicemember refuses or obeys an order, in a court martial or a war crimes tribunal.


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