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Posted on 4/21/26 at 2:10 pm to NC_Tigah
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No, SFP, we are each focused on the words in the law.
However, your focus is on words that describe something which never happened.
And that isn't relevant to a general statement that correctly describes the law.
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My focus is on words that describe something that did happen.
Which specific quote did this? Who said it?
Posted on 4/21/26 at 2:13 pm to NC_Tigah
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Instead, you should think about what I just said.
What was the purpose of the "public service announcement"?
Already covered
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Other than the real reason, which was to have the admin fall into the trap and act like retarded donkeys in response, taking a bunch of public, humiliating Ls in the process.
LINK
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But for someone subject to the UMCJ, it is a different matter.
Stating the law correctly violates the UMCJ?
And just to preemptively respond to your response, I'll post this for like the 5th time:
Is an officer permitted to use an unlawful order to ensure good order and discipline?
There is a reason you keep avoiding answering that question honestly.
Posted on 4/21/26 at 2:15 pm to NC_Tigah
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Decatur claims Kelly was/is not subject to the UMCJ.
I told you I did not dispute this. This issue is whether courts will allow First Amendment restrictions on protected speech by retired service members. In this case the retired service member is also a U.S. Senator that arguably has even greater free speech rights than the average citizen.
Posted on 4/21/26 at 2:17 pm to Decatur
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In this case the retired service member is also a U.S. Senator that arguably has even greater free speech rights than the average citizen.
Now you’re claiming a tweet is a legislative act?Posted on 4/21/26 at 2:25 pm to BBONDS25
Did I say anything about a legislative act, dipshit?
Posted on 4/21/26 at 2:27 pm to Decatur
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Did I say anything about a legislative act, dipshit?
You claimed he, as a senator, had greater speech rights than the average citizen. Only legislative acts provide greater speech rights. You dipshit.
You are so dishonest with no shame. You lied about a Supreme Court ruling that stated retired officers are not subject to portions of the UCMJ. Certainly no cite to the SCOTUS saying that about speech. And now you lie about the extra protections for Senators. If you have to lie to win an argument, you lost the argument.
This post was edited on 4/21/26 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 4/21/26 at 2:30 pm to Decatur
Greater free speech rights than a citizen? frick you! Greater opportunity to be heard than a citizen simply from the pulpit from which he speaks. Therefore a greater responsibility. But his rights are no greater than anyone else's.
Posted on 4/21/26 at 2:39 pm to BBONDS25
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You lied about a Supreme Court ruling that stated retired officers are not subject to portions of the UCMJ.
Nope.
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Certainly no cite to the SCOTUS saying that about speech.
I’m not linking it for *you* because you’re a lazy arse dipshit.
Posted on 4/21/26 at 2:56 pm to Decatur
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I’m not linking it for *you* because you’re a lazy arse dipshit.
I read the decision. You aren’t linking the citation you claim exists in it, because it is non-existent. Again…if you have to lie to win an argument, you lost the argument.
I notice you didn’t address your idiotic comment about the Senator having greater speech protections while tweeting.
Posted on 4/21/26 at 2:59 pm to BBONDS25
And you’re dishonest to boot!
Posted on 4/21/26 at 3:00 pm to Decatur
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And you’re dishonest to boot!
You could easily prove that. Yet you fail to do so.
This is just more of your dishonesty and typical liberal projection. Posted on 4/21/26 at 3:05 pm to BBONDS25
I’m happy to engage with someone else that doesn’t always post in bad faith. 
Posted on 4/21/26 at 3:06 pm to Decatur
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I’m happy to engage with someone else that doesn’t always post in bad faith
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You could easily prove that. Yet you fail to do so. This is just more of your dishonesty and typical liberal projection.
Posted on 4/21/26 at 3:25 pm to Decatur
quote:See Decatur, with all due respect (and I mean that), it's an assertion that doesn't make sense to me, because there are already limitations to first amendment rights for Americans in general, and rights for Americans can be conveyed unevenly, based on status.
I told you I did not dispute this. This issue is whether courts will allow First Amendment restrictions on protected speech by retired service members.
E.g., 1st A and the UCMJ, or retired CIA. 2nd A and felons. Etc.
In this situation, Kelly knew what rights he abrogated by accepting Naval retirement pay. For example, he knew he could be recalled to active duty from a lucrative job or business at a crushing personal financial cost. I've seen similar recalls happen 1st hand BTW. They were brutal for individuals impacted. But it's part of the deal.
Posted on 4/21/26 at 3:31 pm to NC_Tigah
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See Decatur, with all due respect (and I mean that)
Maybe he will give you the cite he claims is in the ruling that states (by the Supreme Court) that the UCMJ, specifically regarding speech, doesnt apply to retired service members. Apparently me asking for this was in bad faith. Nobody can accuse you of arguing in bad faith.
Posted on 4/21/26 at 4:03 pm to BBONDS25
quote:I think this is what he cited to me: Mark Kelly v. Pete Hegseth
Maybe he will give you the cite he claims is in the ruling that states (by the Supreme Court) that the UCMJ
Posted on 4/21/26 at 4:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
Look at SlowIndyPro getting it done!
Posted on 4/21/26 at 4:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
No he can't.
Posted on 4/21/26 at 4:13 pm to Jbird
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No he can't.
Exactly.
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