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re: Pakistani J-10Cs using PL-15 Air-to-Air Missiles shot down 5 Indian Fighter Jets

Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:18 pm to
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:18 pm to
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Modern AA systems can take down any of these platforms. Including the Rafale. India doesn’t have the upgrade/domestic version of either Russia or France’s planes, and certainly doesn’t have the same quality of pilots or tactics.


Yeah, you are correct. I was just trolling.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:20 pm to
India buys their military stuff from Russia so either the Chinese equipment is top notch or the Russia stuff sucks.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:22 pm to
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It's not the plane, it's the pilot. Also, if you just casually fly into airspace not knowing if there are AA batteries on the ground


India stayed in their airspace. These were supposedly shot down by the J-10c using PL-15 missiles which make sense when you research its capabilities

6. Strategic Role in Pakistan Air Force
Counter to Indian Air Force:
The J-10C was acquired by Pakistan in 2022 as a direct response to India’s Rafale jets. It provides the PAF with a platform to match or exceed the Rafale’s BVR capabilities, particularly with the PL-15E’s range compared to the Rafale’s Meteor missile (150+ km).

First-Look, First-Shot Capability: PAF officials, including retired Air Commodore Khalid Farooq, have claimed the J-10C’s AESA radar and PL-15 combination gives it an edge in BVR engagements over the Rafale, though the Rafale’s electronic warfare suite and combat experience (e.g., Mali, Syria) provide counteradvantages."





Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:27 pm to
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India stayed in their airspace. These were supposedly shot down by the J-10c using PL-15 missiles which make sense when you research its capabilities


Seriously, you were just saying a million people giving fake information are making Grok useless.

Where do you think this data comes from?

Why would
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the Rafale’s electronic warfare suite and combat experience (e.g., Mali, Syria) provide counteradvantages."

Those were French Pilots, it's not like planes themselves gain combat experiences.
Plus Those planes were built before the Syria combat.
And weren't those involved in Syria.

Everything it said is garbage.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 6:29 pm
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:28 pm to
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India buys their military stuff from Russia so either the Chinese equipment is top notch or the Russia stuff sucks


This was the Rafale which India took delivery from France in 2022

Acquisition: India signed a government-to-government deal with France in 2016 to procure 36 Rafale jets for the IAF, valued at approximately $8 billion. These jets, delivered between 2019 and 2022, are stationed at Ambala (Haryana) and Hasimara (West Bengal) airbases.

Capabilities: The Rafale is equipped with advanced avionics, Thales RBE2 AESA radar, and the SPECTRA electronic warfare suite. It can carry the Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (range >150 km), SCALP cruise missile, and Indian-specific enhancements like the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile







Posted by Narax
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:29 pm to
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This was the Rafale which India took delivery from France in 2022

Zero way you could know the lot that plane came in.
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:31 pm to
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I think the Indians want to throw in the towel and go back to the way it was. Too bad though the Indians didn't have our stuff. It would be nice to see Chinese versus US technology.


I thought Indian Engineers were top notch. At least that's what many company CEOs think. Offshoring jobs to a group of cheap arse people that cannot build their own military equipment to defend themselves.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:36 pm to
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Zero way you could know the lot that plane came in.


Incorrect. They took delivery of 36 Rafale’s in 2022 and is the only Rafale jets they have. They are scheduled to get Marine Versions for their Navy in 2028-2030 from France


"India’s Rafale fleet is limited to the 36 Rafale jets procured for the Indian Air Force (IAF) under the 2016 deal with France, delivered between 2019 and 2022, and the 26 Rafale Marine (Rafale-M) jets for the Indian Navy, ordered in 2025 with deliveries expected between 2028 and 2030. No additional Rafale jets from other years are part of India’s inventory or confirmed orders as of May 7, 2025

Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:36 pm to
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I think the Indians want to throw in the towel and go back to the way it was.
Would that make them Indian givers???
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:38 pm to
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Incorrect. They took delivery of 36 Rafale’s in 2022 and is the only Rafale jets they have. They are scheduled to get Marine Versions for their Navy in 2028-2030 from France

Incorrect, this could be a jet they received in 2019.

All you know is it was sometime between 2019 and 2022.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:40 pm to
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Would that make them Indian givers???


Yes
And in the spirt of Gandhi, they will be peaceful.
Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:40 pm to
So all in 2022 but also between 2019 and 2022

Is this what they call a hallucination?
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 6:41 pm
Posted by Lou Pai
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:41 pm to
This thread may be goldennugget’s finest work yet
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:43 pm to
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All you know is it was sometime between 2019 and 2022.


Correct. Those fighter jets all have the same capabilities. What is your point?


Model and Configuration: All 36 jets are Rafale EH (single-seat) and DH (twin-seat) variants, built to the F3-R standard, which includes advanced avionics, Thales RBE2 AESA radar, SPECTRA electronic warfare suite, and compatibility with weapons like the Meteor missile and SCALP cruise missile."

Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:47 pm to
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but it seems like the French might be the ones making subpar fighter jets


Guess you are too stupid to factor in the pilots into the calculus in your rush to felate the CCP.
Posted by 19
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:47 pm to
Did you bother to read the comments?

This is fake shite obviously.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:47 pm to
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This thread may be goldennugget’s finest work yet


I figured Nugget would given his opinion on his H-1B Pajeet Bros flying capabilities
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:48 pm to
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Correct. Those fighter jets all have the same capabilities. What is your point?


Why did you say in 2022?
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:51 pm to
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Did you bother to read the comments?

This is fake shite obviously



Did you bother to read the thread? Confirmation from..

Indian Government
French Government
CNN
Reuters


19: "This is fake shite obviously"
Posted by CueBacca
Member since May 2025
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:52 pm to
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John Barron


You are a very odd person.
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