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Opening a different kettle of worms abortion and Federal Murder?
Posted on 8/13/26 at 10:43 am
Posted on 8/13/26 at 10:43 am
Why are their not federal murder charges for a woman that crosses state lines to abort her late term baby as been recently approved in Mass?
Interstate Activity: The crime involves crossing state lines or international borders, or it utilizes interstate commerce tools (such as phones, mail, or the internet) to arrange a murder-for-hire scheme.
Federal Law on Unborn VictimsUnder the Unborn Victims of Violence Act (also known as Laci and Connor's Law), passed by Congress in 2004, federal law recognizes an unborn child as a legal victim if they are injured or killed during the commission of a federal crime of violence.Two Counts: If an expectant mother is murdered in a federal jurisdiction (such as on a military base or across state lines under specific federal statutes), the offender can be charged with one count of murder for the mother and a second count of murder for the unborn child.Stage of Development: The federal statute applies to an unborn child "at any stage of development," from fertilization to birth.Exemptions: The law explicitly states it does not apply to lawful medical abortions or actions by the pregnant woman herself.
The next step would be conspiracy charges to commit these murders for all that voted for this legislation.
Interstate Activity: The crime involves crossing state lines or international borders, or it utilizes interstate commerce tools (such as phones, mail, or the internet) to arrange a murder-for-hire scheme.
Federal Law on Unborn VictimsUnder the Unborn Victims of Violence Act (also known as Laci and Connor's Law), passed by Congress in 2004, federal law recognizes an unborn child as a legal victim if they are injured or killed during the commission of a federal crime of violence.Two Counts: If an expectant mother is murdered in a federal jurisdiction (such as on a military base or across state lines under specific federal statutes), the offender can be charged with one count of murder for the mother and a second count of murder for the unborn child.Stage of Development: The federal statute applies to an unborn child "at any stage of development," from fertilization to birth.Exemptions: The law explicitly states it does not apply to lawful medical abortions or actions by the pregnant woman herself.
The next step would be conspiracy charges to commit these murders for all that voted for this legislation.
Posted on 8/13/26 at 10:51 am to NewbombII
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if killed during the commission of a federal crime of violence.
What would be the federal crime?
Posted on 8/13/26 at 10:52 am to TigerintheNO
Crossing state lines to commit the crime of murder.
Posted on 8/13/26 at 11:00 am to NewbombII
abortion is not a federal crime
Posted on 8/13/26 at 11:01 am to TigerintheNO
Posted on 8/13/26 at 11:25 am to NewbombII
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kettle of worms
This, for some reason, also feels like a crime
Posted on 8/13/26 at 11:27 am to TigerintheNO
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abortion is not a federal crime
unless you use a gun to do it
A vacuum sucking out the pieces is A OK.
Posted on 8/13/26 at 11:50 am to TigerintheNO
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abortion is not a federal crime
Murder on a baby's day of birth is a very big civil rights crime.
Posted on 8/13/26 at 11:52 am to Auburn1968
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Murder on a baby's day of birth is a very big civil rights crime.
You would think the SPLC, Crump, Sharpton etc would be lining up the civil rights lawsuits on behalf of the murdered babies, but not a word
Posted on 8/13/26 at 12:05 pm to TigerintheNO
Civil rights of the unborn child are a valid concern
Posted on 8/13/26 at 12:07 pm to NewbombII
I just hope every woman that gets an abortion ends up barren and can never have kids in their lifetime, and they die childless.
That's all I want. Not too much to ask.
That's all I want. Not too much to ask.
This post was edited on 8/13/26 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 8/13/26 at 12:09 pm to i am dan
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I just hope woman that gets an abortion ends up barren
Any elective abortion should come with a mandatory hysterectomy.
Posted on 8/13/26 at 12:54 pm to NewbombII
quote:You've got some mixed metaphors here my baw
kettle of worms
Posted on 8/13/26 at 1:39 pm to i am dan
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I just hope woman that gets an abortion ends up barren and can never have kids in their lifetime, and they die the same way they murdered the child.
FIFY
Posted on 8/13/26 at 2:32 pm to SallysHuman
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Any elective abortion should come with a mandatory hysterectomy.
What do you consider a non elective abortion? Mother's life in danger/ Fetal unviability or severe genetic defects? Curious..as a pro life woman do you ever discuss this topic with your peers as it relates to severe birth defects? Are you more forgiving of couples that may choose abortion under those unfortunate circumstances?
Posted on 8/13/26 at 4:05 pm to ThuperThumpin
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What do you consider a non elective abortion?
A very, very, vanishingly rare procedure done to literally save a woman's life. So rare I can't give you an example I've come across in real life.
The abortions I personally know of fall into three categories- don't wanna be pregnant, don't want THIS guy's kid, and the worst one was an instance where the "mom" loved the guy, he loved her, weren't married and she didn't want to "make him feel obligated"- they later married and a child within three years. That one is how I got my baby sister.
I know of tragic pregnancies with certain death or birth defects. Mom delivered the baby anyway in both instances.
Posted on 8/13/26 at 4:21 pm to NewbombII
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Crossing state lines to commit the crime of murder.
If it's not a crime in the state you're going to, you didn't cross the state line to commit a crime.
The law requires a jurisdiction. You can't get an abortion say in state X, that would be illegal. It cannot enforce you not getting an abortion somewhere else in the world. It's also legal to travel to other states.
For instance, a 19 year old can't buy alcohol in most states I know of but if they go to say, the UK, they can definitely buy alcohol. They can't be busted in the US for buying alcohol in the UK.
This post was edited on 8/13/26 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 8/13/26 at 5:49 pm to NewbombII
You make a great point. I'd guess this is something in SCOTUS near future to determine.
Posted on 8/13/26 at 8:45 pm to lake chuck fan
Ok let's take it to the next step. Some lib US state legalizes euthanasia. Gramps gets taken across state lines to be given the big shot. What if gramps isn't cognizant enough to make the decision but well meaning kiddo has medical power of attorney. Is this Federal murder?
Posted on 8/18/26 at 9:16 pm to theballguy
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If it's not a crime in the state you're going to, you didn't cross the state line to commit a crime.
The law requires a jurisdiction. You can't get an abortion say in state X, that would be illegal. It cannot enforce you not getting an abortion somewhere else in the world. It's also legal to travel to other states.
For instance, a 19 year old can't buy alcohol in most states I know of but if they go to say, the UK, they can definitely buy alcohol. They can't be busted in the US for buying alcohol in the UK.
Look up extraterritorial jurisdiction.
Most commonly associated with child sex crimes in pedophile tourist destinations.
In the context of the OP it's all hypothetical, but it's clearly theoretically possible if someone wanted to make it that way.
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