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re: On 6/20 SFP offered this jewel of wisdom as to why certain people were voting for Biden.

Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:27 am to
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:27 am to
are the intelligent people in L.A. or Louisiana?

Has SFP retracted that he thought Julie Kelly was stupid?
Posted by chili pup
Member since Sep 2011
3697 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:29 am to
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As it pertains to this particular group, that would be extremely difficult.


No one makes you stay here? When do you crack your half a millionth post?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477243 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:30 am to
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(1) This severely undercuts domestic production which negatively affects job production as well as product quality.

The jobs flow with the excess spending the cheaper goods create. Typically, that's higher margin and more advanced output that keeps us ahead of the game.

Quality is a market issue that comes with lower prices. The country who does the manufacturing also typically doesn't control the specs, either. You will have this issue with all cheaper production, regardless of the government intervention at play.

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(2) It creates a severe national security issue when it comes to essentially things like medicine, etc.

Even Friedman and Sowell agree, to an extent. We're not full blown ancaps.

However, you have to be REAL tight with the definition of "national security" or you end up with another "infrastructure"



Or, if you want another contemporary example, we don't want identification done as easily as other "national security" issues, specifically classified documents.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477243 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:31 am to
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Has SFP retracted that he thought Julie Kelly was stupid?

She posts stupid stuff for her grift.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61460 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:36 am to
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How in everloving hell do liberal policies aid you in your ability to support yourself?


I don’t look at myself as if I’m a crab in a bucket. I don’t need to step on others to elevate myself. I also think about my entire experience as a human in the world, not just my individual bank account when determining my priorities.

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I've never personally visited the wreck of the Titanic, but I can comment on it. I've never personally flown to the moon, but I can certainly comment on weightlessness, the lunar surface, etc.


Is the only evidence of the Titanic or moon landing found in tweets? I am extremely skeptical of “news” posted on social media. I find it comical that men who think so highly of themselves and their intelligence flock to social media for rage bait and “news.”


Re: the link you posted - I can google evidence of Big Foot so I guess he’s real too.
This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 7:50 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:37 am to
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I don’t look at myself as if I’m a crab in a bucket. I don’t need to step on others to elevate myself. I

Posted by Gifman
Clearwater Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:42 am to
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4cubbies


You’re a legit crazy person
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61460 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:45 am to
I don’t think helping someone else hurts me. Is that easier to understand?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477243 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:50 am to
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I don’t think helping someone else hurts me. I

There is nothing about (actually) conservative economics that require people to be hurt.

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Is that easier to understand?

No. It makes no sense and doesn't reflect reality.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:51 am to
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Tell Thomas Sowell he's wrong, too, please


Sure, and i'd tell Milton Friedman (who I greatly admire) as well if he were still alive.

I had a conversation with one of your "educated professional" buffoons about this topic. He trotted out Milton's line, "we get a useful product and they get a piece of paper" and thought he was so clever.

I responded with, "which the Chinese then use to buy our country in the physical form of our real estate and more importantly all of our institutions including our government"

No response.

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Market manipulation and huge government spending is in no way "free trade".


Exactly , and that's why punishing bad actors like China is so critical to furthering free trade.

That's twice in this thread we agree.

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Major planks of his campaign directly target taxation, market intervention, and forced redistribution.


Cutting taxes, deregulation are major planks and he has a track record of doing so.

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And that's before we even talk about the legacy programs that do this which he supports (like Social Security).


I think Trump would support privatizing ss, but he also has to be elected to continue his best in class free trade track record. This ss position is uniform across every candidate running for president for one of the two parties for as long as you and I have been alive so drawing a distinction is meaningless. Especially to defend your "not trump" insanity.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:51 am to
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I don’t think helping someone else hurts me. Is that easier to understand?





And if those policies end up hurting more in the long run?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477243 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:57 am to
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"which the Chinese then use to buy our country in the physical form of our real estate and more importantly all of our institutions including our government"

This is a very emotional description exaggerating impacts.

China spending money here (legally) isn't a problem. They buy our higher-margin goods that keep us ahead of them, economically. That's a good thing. We stay ahead of them and carve out our irreplaceable role even more, while they stay fungible, lower-level, and lower-margin.

Again, win-win for us.

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Exactly , and that's why punishing bad actors like China is so critical to furthering free trade.

Nobody has argued China supports free trade.

That's irrelevant to US policy.

China's manipulation helps the US, our citizens, and our economy. China steals money from its population to permit us to remain economically superior. Win-win.

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Cutting taxes,

Tariffs are a tax

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deregulation

Tariffs are also a regulation

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he has a track record of doing so.


The GOPE does, and he enacted their policies. Just like he joined in their strategy on appointing judges and tax cuts. Those aren't Trump policies. That happens every time the GOP gets in power and the party gets to flex. Trump was along for the ride provided by Mitch McConnell and company.

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I think Trump would support privatizing ss, but he also has to be elected to continue his best in class free trade track record.

He literally attacked RDS on sensible, small-scale reforming of the program. I can only go off what he's stated out loud.

I'm not a leftist and I don't engage in mind reading like they do.


Posted by Kcrad
Diamondhead
Member since Nov 2010
67003 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:57 am to
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I don’t look at myself as if I’m a crab in a bucket. I don’t need to step on others to elevate myself.
That has nothing to do with the crabs in a bucket theory.

ETA: As I take another sip of coffee I realize 4cub's definition is the exact opposite definition of the meme.
This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 8:05 am
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98268 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:58 am to
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Tariffs are a tax


Biden broke it down that its 2500 more year per person

So thats $6 a day
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477243 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:58 am to
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And if those policies end up hurting more in the long run?


Time to bust out the Taiwanese sweat shop examples.

We're taking this board back to 2012!

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477243 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:58 am to
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Biden broke it down that its 2500 more year per person

so it's a tax?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98268 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:59 am to
Yes a massive tax
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139062 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:59 am to
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I don’t look at myself as if I’m a crab in a bucket.
Yet, in socialism, that is exactly what you are.

Crabs in a bucket may try to climb atop each other. However, the person intending to eat them eventually shifts the top ones to the bottom, and bottom to top to keep the ones at the bottom alive.

Think of capitalism as free crabs in the ocean. They can compete as much or as little as they like, but all are free to thrive in their own way. My successes are built on market and service creation. Not squashing others.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139062 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 8:02 am to
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I don’t think helping someone else hurts me. Is that easier to understand?
Yes. Monetize and grow that desire to help others, and you are the consummate Capitalist.
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
19296 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 8:06 am to
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And if those policies end up hurting more in the long run?


Can’t possibly be as easily illustrated as the commercials for a product where the seller also contributes the product to a charity in impoverished Africa with each purchase …

thus limiting the opportunity for the locals to have a repair or retail shop and actually earn money leading eventually to employment and opportunities for others.
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