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re: On 6/20 SFP offered this jewel of wisdom as to why certain people were voting for Biden.

Posted on 6/30/24 at 6:37 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 6:37 am to
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but the fact that you claim to speak for these people

I never did any such thing

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is yet another example of your psychopathic narcissism

You start off with a lie and then try to psychoanalyze me based off the lie.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 6:39 am to
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Then you and your merry tribe of smarties are a special kind of stupid to be so anti-Trump.

I'm not a fan of leftist economics. Trump is. It's not complicated.


As you can see with threads like these where people just make shite up about me, I'm not worried about people thinking I'm white trash for supporting Trump like the people I referenced do. People are going to make up wild shite about me anyway.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 6:41 am to
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Trump is the most pro-free trade president of my lifetime.

It's not trumps fault you're too economically illiterate to differentiate free trade from adversarial mercantilism.

Tell Thomas Sowell he's wrong, too, please

Market manipulation and huge government spending is in no way "free trade". Major planks of his campaign directly target taxation, market intervention, and forced redistribution. And that's before we even talk about the legacy programs that do this which he supports (like Social Security).
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 6:52 am to
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College safe spaces "have been since forever"?


Calling college kids names for thinking differently than their parents has been a thing forever. I didn’t comment about safe spaces but I’ve also never seen or experienced one so I don’t feel qualified to comment on these things. For all I know, they don’t exist or exist only in obscure tweets that get posted here.


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To the contrary, traditionally campuses encouraged wide ranging intellectual engagement.


This has been my experience, which is why I can’t comment on the safe space you referenced.

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As the saying goes "A young person who doesn't lean left has no heart. If the same person still leans left by age forty, he has no brain."


I was ultra conservative until I entered “the real world” and started fully supporting myself financially. I guess I’m one of those brainless, heartless people this platitude refers to.

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rather than the newer trends away from intellectual discourse.


I attend college in a liberal city and I tend to believe my own eyes, ears and experiences over obscure tweets that get posted on this conservative message board about colleges.
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 6:52 am to
He isn't wrong.

I'm voting for Trump because he is clearly the better option but I'm not wild about it. But I know a lot of professionals who are the exact opposite; they aren't wild about voting for Biden/Replacement but they'll never vote for Trump.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 6:54 am to
So it seems you know a lot of morons like SFP

Im sure a lot means like 3 ppl
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 6:56 am to
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Market manipulation and huge government spending is in no way "free trade".
You make a couple statements based on dubious foundation.

(1) Huge government spending was economically unavoidable as compensation for pandemic-induced shutdown. Now, one can certainly argue for or against the medically-driven shutdown decision. However, once rendered, the economic treatment really is not debatable.

(2) Anti-free trade market manipulation by state-run economies designed to undercut, then monopolize supply was the target of Trump's tariff policies.
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:00 am to
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So it seems you know a lot of morons like SFP

Im sure a lot means like 3 ppl


Maybe, but it's a lot more than 3 people.

Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:04 am to
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Huge government spending was economically unavoidable as compensation for pandemic-induced shutdown.


True, but annual deficits were increasing under Trump between 2017-2019 before the pandemic spending. He wasn't exactly a low-deficit guy to begin with. It's nothing like what Biden is doing but it wasn't great.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:05 am to
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Maybe, but it's a lot more than 3 people.



Im sure
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:05 am to
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True, but annual deficits were increasing under Trump between 2017-2019 before the pandemic spending. He wasn't exactly a low-deficit guy to begin with. It's nothing like what Biden is doing but it wasn't great.

Exactly



Yes it spiked with Covid, but we had 3 years of data prior to that.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:08 am to
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Huge government spending was economically unavoidable as compensation for pandemic-induced shutdown

Just to address this specifically. And before Covid?

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Anti-free trade market manipulation by state-run economies designed to undercut, then monopolize supply was the target of Trump's tariff policies.

Justifying government intervention to help your political supporters is so very Leftist.

And I will just say again, Thomas Sowell agrees with me. Fully.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:10 am to
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I was ultra conservative until I entered “the real world” and started fully supporting myself financially.

How in everloving hell do liberal policies aid you in your ability to support yourself?

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I didn’t comment about safe spaces but I’ve also never seen or experienced one so I don’t feel qualified to comment on these things. For all I know, they don’t exist or exist only in obscure tweets that get posted here.
I've never personally visited the wreck of the Titanic, but I can comment on it. I've never personally flown to the moon, but I can certainly comment on weightlessness, the lunar surface, etc.

In terms of safe spaces, try this .... LINK
Posted by chili pup
Member since Sep 2011
3697 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:10 am to
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And I will just say again, Thomas Sowell agrees with me. Fully.


You have that ole baw on speed dial or something?

But by the way, he sure as hell does not speak like you post.
This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 7:11 am
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49420 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:12 am to
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Anti-free trade market manipulation by state-run economies designed to undercut, then monopolize supply was the target of Trump's tariff policies.

Justifying government intervention to help your political supporters is so very Leftist.



I've evolved on this issue and agree, generally, with Trump that we have to implement protective measures for our domestic economy because the other large economies we are competing with are not operating on the same playing field. All that said, it is definitely NOT a policy rooted in free-trade.
This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 7:14 am
Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:16 am to
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I know a lot of people who will fit this pattern perfectly

You really should surround yourself with more intelligent people.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477243 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:19 am to
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ecause the other large economies we are competing with are not operating on the same playing field.

We typically gain a double advantage from this. Basically China is paying the cost for our consumers to pay less for goods (which means more money flowing elsewhere in more productive areas of our domestic economy).

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All that said, it is definitely NOT a policy rooted in free-trade.

And the proposed manipulation is to support his new carve out of the electorate (lower-working class, without college degrees, who want the inefficient jobs this plan would potentially create).

I understand the theoretical path/goal of the Leftism, but I just prefer the output and efficiency of the free path. A big issue with how MAGA addresses their perceived issue with the effects of freedom is the impact on their perceived in-group, which leads to a bit of hypocrisy. I'm not saying you are doing this, but the NPC form of MAGA does.

10 years ago when we did the "how to make it out of poverty" discussions for black people, making comments about not making mistakes that you expect others to pay for were common. Today, if you do this same discussion with poor white people, and you're the biggest a-hole on God's green earth.

The best is when people say that I hve somehow changed, when my statements haven't, but the targets have.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:19 am to
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You really should surround yourself with more intelligent people.

As it pertains to this particular group, that would be extremely difficult.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36756 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:22 am to
Dude, I personally have your overall ranking at #59 here just on this one board. Hope that helps to clarify things for you.


I kid, I kid. Or do I?? Ahahah
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49420 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:24 am to
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We typically gain a double advantage from this. Basically, China is paying the cost for our consumers to pay less for goods (which means more money flowing elsewhere in more productive areas of our domestic economy).


Two counters:

(1) This severely undercuts domestic production which negatively affects job production as well as product quality.

(2) It creates a severe national security issue when it comes to essentially things like medicine, etc.
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