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re: On 6/20 SFP offered this jewel of wisdom as to why certain people were voting for Biden.

Posted on 6/30/24 at 8:17 am to
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
45988 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 8:17 am to
I'm just glad you're still able to post after watching your hero Joe Biden look like the dude from tales from the crypt during the debate
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477244 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 8:18 am to
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after watching your hero Joe Biden

wut?

I don't think I have ever, literally, said a positive thing about Joe Biden. And I mean literally, literally.

Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
45988 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 8:23 am to
Quick question: if you and your LA friends are so intelligent, why do you live in shithole states?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477244 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 8:25 am to
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if you and your LA friends are so intelligent, why do you live in shithole states?

If you noticed, there was a sampling of states where many of them moved.

And to answer your question specifically about me: fate.
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
45988 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 8:38 am to
Fair enough. I figured you'd move to some other democrat controlled oasis like Chicago, NYC, Baltimore, Memphis, etc.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477244 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 8:41 am to
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I figured you'd move to some other democrat controlled oasis like Chicago, NYC, Baltimore, Memphis, etc.

...why?

That doesn't sound like me at all, for multiple reasons.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 8:41 am to
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This is a very emotiona


This and your incorrect usage of logical fallacies is sad and ineffectual.

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That's irrelevant to US policy.


Deranged, absolutely so categorically false that there's no place to go in an argument with you.

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Tariffs are a tax


No.

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Tariffs are also a regulation


Punitive tariffs for bad actors are part of free trade agreements which reduced regulation to encourage economic competition rather than adversarial mercantilism.

Your argument basically boils down to "This isn't real football because the refs sometimes call offsides"

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He literally attacked RDS on sensible, small-scale reforming of the program. I can only go off what he's stated out loud. I'm not a leftist and I don't engage in mind reading like they do.


So two candidates who support ss, guess you couldn't in good conscience vote for either.



Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477244 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 8:46 am to
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Deranged, absolutely so categorically false that there's no place to go in an argument with you.

Saying I want the US to be a capitalist country and then bringing up how China isn't, has no logical merit.

As I said, Nobody is arguing that China is a free market.

However, we are discussing US policy. I want the US to be more of a free market. You want more government intervention (Leftist eocnomics)

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No.

They literally are a tax

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Punitive tariffs for bad actors are part of free trade agreements

They are taxes and regulatory. That is not free trade.

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which reduced regulation

Not if they're promoting tariffs.

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rather than adversarial mercantilism.

That's an entirely different discussion. That is also not free trade.

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So two candidates who support ss

Only one has proposed some sort of reformation to slow spending.

I don't think RDS went far enough, but he's much better than Trump. Trump had the opportunity to go further than RDS but promoted the status quo.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 8:50 am to
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I don’t think helping someone else hurts me. Is that easier to understand?


That isn't the problem. The problem is that you think the government should force people to help someone else.

Rather than stepping on others, you're fine with people being weighed down as they attempt to elevate themselves.
Posted by OWLFAN86
Erotic Novelist
Member since Jun 2004
196626 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 8:54 am to
Jake even though all these people accuse you of thinking you're so smart and I don't doubt your intelligence
but here's the proof i'm smarter than you

I stopped trying to debate politics, economics, history ,culture with the politards years ago

I just stay stupid on the OT,, I occasionally drop in on the more sports, share an opinion on the music or movies TV board don't waste your time here

You can present all the facts you want to the few of them understand it. and for the most part they've stopped commenting on here just as I have ,, although this debate was too tempting and some have dropped in

but back to the point,,, politards All they do is call names , they never offer a rebuttle based in theory or history.
and their facts are something someone told them there's little examination of their sauces left or right

just let them enjoy their bud lights, search tranny porn and run their small business in peace.

This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 9:02 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477244 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 8:55 am to
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The problem is that you think the government should force people to help someone else.

I think, on top of that, she thinks in terms of exploitation of labor, so if I run a business and I make a profit off an employee's (directed, funded, and managed) labor (within the structure I built), then I am hurting them, by "stealing" that delta.
Posted by Larry_Hotdogs
Texas
Member since Jun 2019
2072 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 8:59 am to
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INTJs

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Number of Posts: 426264


Full of shite.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 9:03 am to
You’re being downvoted, but you are not necessarily incorrect. It depends on what your view is of the purpose of a government.

Is the purpose of a government to facilitate open combat while mitigating risk; to ensure an environment where the best win most of the time?

Or is the purpose of the government to facilitate a stable society that permits the most happiness and satisfaction while ensuring continuity of a stable world?

I think you fall closer to the camp of the latter and there’s nothing wrong with that.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477244 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 9:05 am to
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Or is the purpose of the government to facilitate a stable society that permits the most happiness and satisfaction while ensuring continuity of a stable world?

Is this not what MAGA/AF preach?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477244 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 9:05 am to
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Full of shite.


Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 9:06 am to
A lot of people preach a lot of different things
Posted by OWLFAN86
Erotic Novelist
Member since Jun 2004
196626 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 9:06 am to
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Or is the purpose of the government to facilitate a stable society that permits the most happiness and satisfaction while ensuring continuity of a stable world?

I think you fall closer to the camp of the latter and there’s nothing wrong with that.


other than the inevitable totalitarianism


one man's continuity is another man's concentration camp
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 9:11 am to
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politards All they do is call names , they never offer a rebuttle based in theory or history. and their facts are something someone told them there's little examination of their sauces left or right


Jake's getting pummeled with counter arguments.

From me at least.


Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 9:13 am to
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Only one has proposed some sort of reformation to slow spending. I don't think RDS went far enough, but he's much better than Trump. Trump had the opportunity to go further than RDS but promoted the status quo.


So you couldn't in good conscience support Ron?

Or are you completely full of shite?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477244 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 9:16 am to
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So you couldn't in good conscience support Ron?

I already stopped supporting him during the race due to his abortion law/support, which made him unelectable.

If electability was the primary selling point for RDS, killing that electability removed any reason to support him.

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Or are you completely full of shite?

You're quite a few months late.
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