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re: Old Farts of the Poli Board - How have the news channels shifted over the years?
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:25 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:25 pm to Ace Midnight
like the rest I noticed it about 2000 cnn going hard left I guess about the time turner lost control. But the real question what in the world happened to the weather channel. They never show the weather anymore.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:26 pm to BRich
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There used to be something called the Fairness Doctrine. It began in 1949
The Fairness Doctrine was not designed to address bias. It was designed to make stations using 'the public air' to broadcast in 'the public interest.' So, they couldn't show cartoons and soap operas all day.
They had to broadcast PSAs, programs about public interest events, etc. in order to get their FCC license renewed.
It was not an 'equal time for left and right' policy.
When I worked in radio we circumvented the policy by running PSAs at 2am when nobody was listening.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:27 pm to Zach
I started paying attention in the 1980s.
Was pretty much leftist propaganda back then, just as it is now.
Was pretty much leftist propaganda back then, just as it is now.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:33 pm to VOR
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It remains fair to say Foxl leans right and MSNBC leans left. CNN floats somewhere in the space between the two. Even most of rhis board seemed to agree with this description
Until the Pumpkin singled out CNN as his nemesis. The troops snapped back in line.
Wrong. I started on this board in 2008 and saw people starting to point out leftward moves by CNN even then. As we wound through the Obama years more and more statements of such cropped up, especially as conservative voices left CNN and were replaced by liberal ones. By the time Trump came along many on this board had already been stating that CNN was to the Left (only those more liberal here were still saying it was center-based).
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:36 pm to Zach
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The Fairness Doctrine was not designed to address bias. It was designed to make stations using 'the public air' to broadcast in 'the public interest.' So, they couldn't show cartoons and soap operas all day.
They had to broadcast PSAs, programs about public interest events, etc. in order to get their FCC license renewed.
It was not an 'equal time for left and right' policy.
When I worked in radio we circumvented the policy by running PSAs at 2am when nobody was listening.
I think there's an aspect of that still in existence, something about local programming. I can remember working in radio in the early 90's and having to play a 30-minute horticultural show at 3am on Sunday mornings.
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Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:39 pm to tigerfoot
Conservatives knew the news was biased toward the left but there was no alternative until William F Buckley had a TV show, "Firing Line".
I remember watching "Firing Line" back in the day. Thomas Sowell was on the panel.
The subject was the recent rise in women's wages. A lady on the panel gave credit to the government for the narrowing gap between male and female wages. Thomas Sowell disagreed and the lady was shocked. She gave the statistics showing the narrowing gap over the past twenty years. Sowell spoke up and said, you are using government statistics to make your case. Look at the facts. Twenty years ago, prior to birth control pills invention, women got married had children and spent the next 20 - 30 years rearing a family. Then she entered the work force. A fifty year old woman's earnings were being compared to a fifty year old man's. She had no experience, the man had thirty years experience,so naturally he was making much more. Since the development of birth control, women enter the work force at a much earlier age therefore the wages will be closer.
I was shocked! Finally there is a valid common sense argument for the left's BS and a man with the courage to make that argument.
I remember watching "Firing Line" back in the day. Thomas Sowell was on the panel.
The subject was the recent rise in women's wages. A lady on the panel gave credit to the government for the narrowing gap between male and female wages. Thomas Sowell disagreed and the lady was shocked. She gave the statistics showing the narrowing gap over the past twenty years. Sowell spoke up and said, you are using government statistics to make your case. Look at the facts. Twenty years ago, prior to birth control pills invention, women got married had children and spent the next 20 - 30 years rearing a family. Then she entered the work force. A fifty year old woman's earnings were being compared to a fifty year old man's. She had no experience, the man had thirty years experience,so naturally he was making much more. Since the development of birth control, women enter the work force at a much earlier age therefore the wages will be closer.
I was shocked! Finally there is a valid common sense argument for the left's BS and a man with the courage to make that argument.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:40 pm to TigersSEC2010
Not old but middle aged. All the news print and tv has shifted even more left. There are only a few places on the internet where people are free to talk openly but they are coming after those places now too.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:41 pm to TigersSEC2010
The National news coverage was still left leaning but they only had one 30 minute broadcast a day, actually just 23 or so minutes when you take out commercials. They had to prioritize their coverage and the panel discussions were in the Sunday morning hour long news programs. News wasn’t really part of our entertainment.
The 24/7 news cycle and social media causes politics and news to permeate every facet of our society.
The 24/7 news cycle and social media causes politics and news to permeate every facet of our society.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:50 pm to Gus007
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Firing Line
Firing Line was legit. As time goes by I find myself lamenting more and more the replacement of longer, thought-provoking shows that fully covered a single topic with shows that cover a half-dozen topics in quick bites that end up being nothing more than a contest to see who can give the best sound bite. I also blame the proliferation of this form of debate for the absolute cesspool that has become political discourse. In moving to more mass appeal, the level of the bar for discourse has (by necessity) been lowered.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:54 pm to Bard
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I can remember working in radio in the early 90's and having to play a 30-minute horticultural show at 3am on Sunday mornings.
Well, at least your learned something about horticulture.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:56 pm to Vecchio Cane
quote:Back then, Liberals could still make sense and be respectful. Today, the default is they're all nut jobs.
Most average Americans back in the day had no clue what Cronkite's political persuasion was, but those with a smattering of intelligence knew he was a liberal democrat.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:59 pm to TigersSEC2010
Wasn't in one's face 24/7.
They didn't make news, simply reported.
Went into the shatter in the 60s.
They didn't make news, simply reported.
Went into the shatter in the 60s.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 3:00 pm to TigersSEC2010
CNN is used to be decent with Lou Dobbs
Fox is slowly trending left
Fox is slowly trending left
Posted on 4/2/19 at 3:10 pm to Vecchio Cane
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Walter Cronkite was one of the first and biggest One World-er, who called for an "International Liberty Bell" and called for the US to surrender some of it's sovereignty
His mentor was Edward R. Murrow. All you need to know.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 3:21 pm to Godfather1
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His mentor was Edward R. Murrow. All you need to know.
yessir
Posted on 4/2/19 at 3:25 pm to TigersSEC2010
They used to pretend to be objective.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 3:30 pm to VOR
Are you talking about the Clinton news network?
Posted on 4/2/19 at 3:32 pm to Barnacle Bill
Read about CIAs “Operation Mockingbird”
That will tell you all you need to know about today’s media.
That will tell you all you need to know about today’s media.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 3:35 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Old Farts of the Poli Board - How have the news channels shifted over the years?
This is likely covered. I'll read through the responses later. But I'm in my early part of my 6th decade so I was a reasoning adult as cable news started and then evolved. Don't remember the start date of CNN (1980)so I could have been a non reasoning young adult at that time. So there was CNN and it dominated for 16 years as the cable news network. It was pretty straight down the line in the middle report the facts news. Both Fox News and MSNBC started in 1996. Fox clearly has and had a conservative bent and has changed little though it is moving a bit left at this point. Early on MSNBC saw that Fox was on the right so they took a turn to the left as the "counterpoint to Fox". Within the last 10 years CNN jumped into the fray as a liberal point of view. When GW Bush was elected and the Supreme Court had to rule on Florida, all hell broke loose and it was at that time the 24 hour cable news channel retreated even more strongly into their corners. Things really devolved with the election of President Obama. Cable news channels realized and actively started with advocacy messaging with CNN/MSNBC running interference for democrats. Fox remained as is. So fast forward to now and there is no cable or network outlet for straight down the middle news. If this was the case you'd find some reporters, networks or newspapers reporting plus and minus for both sides.
We are in a dangerous time in my opinion because the bulk of the press refuses to hold both political parties accountable. In fact they now engage to an extent in propaganda. Parties use the press to message and set up the echo chambers. Republicans are at an extreme disadvantage at this time. I can foresee the democrats moving back into power and stepping on the neck of the other side. I hope you young ones realize what is going on here. In fact you likely do and perhaps you think its is fine.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 3:36 pm to TigersSEC2010
Followed the money.....that's what they all did.
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