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re: Old Farts of the Poli Board - How have the news channels shifted over the years?
Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:48 pm to TigersSEC2010
Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:48 pm to TigersSEC2010
TV news has been openly left wing since the 60s. They were more careful about it back then. I noticed the drop of pretense of objectivity starting around 2000 during the 'count every vote' fiasco.
The more interesting research would be to examine newspapers prior to the advent of TV. You can view microfiche copies of old newspapers from 100 years ago.
The big differences:
Newspapers used much more complex sentence structure and much larger vocabularies than today. They were aimed at an educated audience.
Papers carried 10 times the number of individual stories than a modern day print edition. No pictures. No eye catching graphs.
Separate pages were set aside for women and 'coloreds'. The 'women's section' was renamed 'Living' around 1970.
There was no "Opinion Page". It was called 'Editorial Page" because it was the opinion of the editors of the paper.
The Sunday "Weddings Section" was HUGE! Everybody got married back in those days. The details were about the family lineage of the bride and groom. Very little about their education or careers.
The more interesting research would be to examine newspapers prior to the advent of TV. You can view microfiche copies of old newspapers from 100 years ago.
The big differences:
Newspapers used much more complex sentence structure and much larger vocabularies than today. They were aimed at an educated audience.
Papers carried 10 times the number of individual stories than a modern day print edition. No pictures. No eye catching graphs.
Separate pages were set aside for women and 'coloreds'. The 'women's section' was renamed 'Living' around 1970.
There was no "Opinion Page". It was called 'Editorial Page" because it was the opinion of the editors of the paper.
The Sunday "Weddings Section" was HUGE! Everybody got married back in those days. The details were about the family lineage of the bride and groom. Very little about their education or careers.
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Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:49 pm to VOR
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Even most of rhis board seemed to agree with this description Until the Pumpkin singled out CNN as his nemesis. The troops snapped back in line.
It was called the Clinton News Network long before Trump ever got a TV show
Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:50 pm to TigersSEC2010
I figure CNN sold their souls to the devil when their rating started to drop...
As far as Weather news, that started right after Katrina. I guess acting like chicken little sells..Locally Margaret Orr is the worst..
As far as Weather news, that started right after Katrina. I guess acting like chicken little sells..Locally Margaret Orr is the worst..
Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:50 pm to TigersSEC2010
Read Rules for Radicals. Will tell you everything you need to know about what is going on.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:55 pm to chity
Left leaning in the 60’s. My Dad used to get angry watching it. But it was subtle.
Now it’s obvious.
Now it’s obvious.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:55 pm to TigersSEC2010
In general, they could all be trusted. Cronkite and Huntley-Brinkley impressed me as so. That said, I relied heavily on the judgment of my parents. One thing for sure, they certainly didn't conduct themselves the way CNN and MSNBC do today. They all seemed to conduct themselves like adults, all the while exhibiting a clear and unquestioned respect for the office of the POTUS and the other 2 branches.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:55 pm to Friscodog
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For me, Walter Cronkite was one of the last major news journalist. He presented just the facts, not opinions or theories. You never knew what political party he was affiliated with, and "that's the way it is", or should be.
What a bunch of BS.
Most average Americans back in the day had no clue what Cronkite's political persuasion was, but those with a smattering of intelligence knew he was a liberal democrat.
And in February 1968, this clown used his position at CBS to give his famous opinion to all of America who trusted him: "..it has become increasingly clear to this reporter" that the war could not be won and that the only way out was negotiation. Johnson threw in the towel and pulled out of the election shortly afterwards.
Cronkite Commentary
Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:58 pm to BRich
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Most average Americans back in the day had no clue what Cronkite's political persuasion was, but those with a smattering of intelligence knew he was a liberal democrat.
Thank You. Cronkite was a subversive POS
Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:59 pm to BRich
MSNBC used to be more centered. Had Imus on in the morning. Matthews wasn’t the loon he is now. Had Sacrborough country at night back when Joe was actually a conservative.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:00 pm to TigersSEC2010
The whole Culture has moved Left, TS. Socialist was a pejorative, and essentially an existential evil and threat back when. ALL News channels accepted and promoted this view.
Khrushchev bragged and said that "we'll take you without firing a shot". Like you, few of us paid enough attention to Ideological/Philosophical Ideology to understand what His threat meant. He knew though; the Egalitarian Idea is a powerful (moral) impetus. And a practical, realistic nightmare. "Behold, there is a way that seemeth right unto man, but the end thereof is destruction". All things and people are not equal, rightfully so.
That said, there are moral aspects of Government 'caring' for the weak in our Society that are both morally legit, and practically applicable. And in our near future, after jumping the 'hurdle'. Qualified Subsidization...just like Jesus' qualified Mercy. The Powerful can offer it...but the Weak must pledge to fulfill their part, lest the moral legitimacy of the (social) contract fail.
Khrushchev bragged and said that "we'll take you without firing a shot". Like you, few of us paid enough attention to Ideological/Philosophical Ideology to understand what His threat meant. He knew though; the Egalitarian Idea is a powerful (moral) impetus. And a practical, realistic nightmare. "Behold, there is a way that seemeth right unto man, but the end thereof is destruction". All things and people are not equal, rightfully so.
That said, there are moral aspects of Government 'caring' for the weak in our Society that are both morally legit, and practically applicable. And in our near future, after jumping the 'hurdle'. Qualified Subsidization...just like Jesus' qualified Mercy. The Powerful can offer it...but the Weak must pledge to fulfill their part, lest the moral legitimacy of the (social) contract fail.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:00 pm to TigersSEC2010
TV stations (all three) were fairly straight forward with slight left bias.
Newspapers opinion pages are where you got propaganda
It's all national inquirer level now
Newspapers opinion pages are where you got propaganda
It's all national inquirer level now
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:01 pm to Allthatfades
Also seems the the news channels used to do more “news”. Now it’s Trump, Russia, politics 24/7. I mean whatever happened to the good old car chase in the middle of the afternoon.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:02 pm to TigersSEC2010
I noticed a big shift left after the first Gulf War when CNN had about 100 anchors in the middle of Iraq. Then 9/11 gave us the massive "Breaking News" banners and scrolls on the screens 24/7.
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Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:03 pm to TigersSEC2010
Cable news has always had a political slant, even if minor back in the early days. However, the slant didn't really seem to be a problem like news shows of today. Mostly because it wasn't 24/7 in your face with petty things we now call news. We The People only got "significant" news in small spurts at certain times of the the day.
Old TV (early 70's) was rather simple... 3 or 4 channels (pre-cable). Local news at 5pm (Central), National news at 6pm, and local news again at 10pm. Then Johnny Carson for an hour... and finally a sign-off with the National Anthem and waving American flag at midnight ( YouTube)
In the morning around 5am you'd see an outdoor fishing show, a cooking show (e.g. Justin Wilson), then a run of Captain Kangaroo, Romper Room, Sesame Street, and a host of other childrens shows before the morning game shows kicked in (Price Is Right, Hollywood Squares, etc.). Around lunch the Soap Operas started their daily runs. Late afternoon included re-runs from the 60's (Munsters, Gilligan's Island, Rifleman, etc.). Then back to 5pm local news.
When I think of MAGA... I think of those simpler times. A time when America was less busy and with less invasion in everyone's personal business (internet).
Old TV (early 70's) was rather simple... 3 or 4 channels (pre-cable). Local news at 5pm (Central), National news at 6pm, and local news again at 10pm. Then Johnny Carson for an hour... and finally a sign-off with the National Anthem and waving American flag at midnight ( YouTube)
In the morning around 5am you'd see an outdoor fishing show, a cooking show (e.g. Justin Wilson), then a run of Captain Kangaroo, Romper Room, Sesame Street, and a host of other childrens shows before the morning game shows kicked in (Price Is Right, Hollywood Squares, etc.). Around lunch the Soap Operas started their daily runs. Late afternoon included re-runs from the 60's (Munsters, Gilligan's Island, Rifleman, etc.). Then back to 5pm local news.
When I think of MAGA... I think of those simpler times. A time when America was less busy and with less invasion in everyone's personal business (internet).
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:04 pm to Zach
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TV news has been openly left wing since the 60s. They were more careful about it back then.
True, because of a thing that some of you may not be aware of.
There used to be something called the Fairness Doctrine. It began in 1949, and was a Federal policy that required the holders of broadcast licenses (both radio and TV) to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was —in the FCC's view— honest, equitable, and balanced.
The FCC eliminated the policy in 1987 and removed the rule that implemented the policy from the Federal Register in August 2011. It has gotten noticeably worse since then.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:05 pm to TigersSEC2010
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In reality, they're all varying degrees of left-leaning.
You really believe that Fox is left leaning?
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:11 pm to TigersSEC2010
It pretty much started in the late 50s. Communism was put on blast by Sen Joe McCarthy, so the news, entertainment, artsy, and Hollywood types who were neck deep in that shite, fought back. Simply because they had never really worked for a living, they wanted the rules of capitalism to fail.
In the wake they also targeted the churches, the family, the white man, etc. as a means to their ends.
In the wake they also targeted the churches, the family, the white man, etc. as a means to their ends.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:16 pm to TigersSEC2010
Back in olden days there was little time for opinion just reporting.
Now with 24 hour news there seems to be little time for reporting and mostly opinion.
Watergate.
A watershed moment for the press. It showed them their power and inspired I believe what we see today. A social/political progressive/activist press. Not reporting for the sake of the story but to affect change.
Iran Hostage crisis.
Beginning of the modern never ending news cycle and once again showed themselves how powerful they could be. Carter never had a chance with..."day 454 of the hostage crisis". I never believed DCe wanted Carter and this was the vehicle to drive him out of town.
Now with 24 hour news there seems to be little time for reporting and mostly opinion.
Watergate.
A watershed moment for the press. It showed them their power and inspired I believe what we see today. A social/political progressive/activist press. Not reporting for the sake of the story but to affect change.
Iran Hostage crisis.
Beginning of the modern never ending news cycle and once again showed themselves how powerful they could be. Carter never had a chance with..."day 454 of the hostage crisis". I never believed DCe wanted Carter and this was the vehicle to drive him out of town.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:17 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Were my teachers' opinions ever accurate? When did the shift start?
No. CNN was fairly left from the start.
Fox was a reaction to the leftward slant of the network news + CNN, sort of in the wake of Rush Limbaugh's massive radio popularity that was beginning to surge in the late 80s and really hit its stride under Clinton as seemingly the lone voice of the loyal opposition.
Truth be told, FNC, since its inception has been the most moderate in its hard news coverage. Sure, the opinion shows in primetime have always been hard right, for the most part, but they color their hard news the least, IMHO.
Back in the day, NBC News was probably the "most" moderate option pre-FNC, but that may just be because I felt Chancellor and Brinkley did the best to hide their bias (whatever they were).
Cronkite and Rather were far left for their day, so CBS was the most consistently left.
I thought Jennings brought ABC perhaps into the moderate camp, briefly and certainly was as moderate or more than NBC under Brokaw.
But, they were/are all left, most significantly so, except Fox. Have been for over 50 years (or, in CNN's case, since inception).
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:25 pm to TigersSEC2010
The main problem and driving force behind this millennial generation's views is that they have never seen a difference in real "news" and these fake/satire shows. A whole generation grew up thinking the Daily Show was a legitimate source for news. They still follow the opinions of Steven Colbert and Bill Maher, 2 guys who are nothing more than failed comedians. Sad
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