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re: Often unqualified affirmative action students like Kamala Harris fail the bar exam
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:27 am to redandright
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:27 am to redandright
It was a compliment. 
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:30 am to SabiDojo
Education certification is a racket in LA
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:32 am to SabiDojo
Thanks, again!
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:33 am to RedStickBR
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Admitting people who can't pass the bar would dishonor the profession and increase malpractice.
This is why strong safety's "I thought the free market was supposed to take care of this" nonsense is so stupid.
This is a way for the government to find out if you are qualified to operate in their realm. It has nothing to do with the free market.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:48 am to Iosh
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Dean of shitty law school whose tuition is ten times the barrier a bar exam is wants more shitty students to pay for his summer home
Damn, wouldn't have guessed you to be one to be against "Big Education".
Nice.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 11:01 am to SabiDojo
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I thought the LA Bar was stupid easy. I found the MS Bar harder.
LA was easy but I took it when you could study past exams and do ok. TX was tough, mostly multi state.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 11:57 am to Strannix
It's actually not uncommon to fail the first time. I believe the pass rate is around 66% across most states. I know a couple of competent attorneys that failed the first time around that I would trust.
It's not really a mark of shame until there's multiple failures. And as for being a barrier to entry, of course it is, the bar exam exists to try to ensure that every licensed attorney has reached a minimum standard of competency before being allowed to practice.
You wouldn't want a surgeon that hasn't passed his boards or a CPA that can't pass their exam. Same goes for lawyers.
It's not really a mark of shame until there's multiple failures. And as for being a barrier to entry, of course it is, the bar exam exists to try to ensure that every licensed attorney has reached a minimum standard of competency before being allowed to practice.
You wouldn't want a surgeon that hasn't passed his boards or a CPA that can't pass their exam. Same goes for lawyers.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 11:58 am to Volatile
Also, there are WAY too many law schools. We would be fine if fifty of them closed overnight.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:09 pm to Lakeboy7
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LA was easy but I took it when you could study past exams and do ok. TX was tough, mostly multi state.
What was tough about MS was the essay portion. I thought the MBE was easy. Thank goodness too.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:23 pm to Strannix
Is there any evidence that Harris was unqualified or an affirmative action student...?
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:29 pm to Tigerdev
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Is there any evidence that Harris was unqualified or an affirmative action student...?
No. This is a worthy thread to discuss, but those kinds of comments tarnish potential legitimate debate.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:34 pm to StrongSafety
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More govt when it serves your aims huh?
Shouldn't the market just figure it out?
So is the government going to start hiring "attorneys" that didn't go to law school and didn't pass the bar?
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I never said lower the bar, I asked if it should be the end all be all to determine fitness.
That's what I question. That's it. Never said it wasn't important or that it shouldn't be considered
That's what I question. That's it. Never said it wasn't important or that it shouldn't be considered
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:39 pm to Tigerdev
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Is there any evidence that Harris was unqualified or an affirmative action student...?
You cannot get that information. It's like IQ scores. Teachers used to have access to their student's IQs through cum folders. That became forbidden back in the 90s.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:41 pm to StrongSafety
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More govt when it serves your aims huh? Shouldn't the market just figure it out?
I'd like to see you go under the knife of an unlicensed surgeon.
Maybe he/she could try a brain transplant on you?
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:42 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I would venture to say anyone in the top 20 or so percentile intelligence-wise, with a college degree, would have a decent shot to pass a bar exam with two months of intensive study.
No chance.
These are not exactly airtight conversions but the 80th percentile for IQ is about 115 (top 20%). The LSAT/IQ conversion puts an IQ of 115 at an LSAT score of 142. That's extremely low. Most people who get a 142 on the LSAT either don't make it in a law school or enroll at some very low end school like Southern whose bar passage rates after three years of intense study is below 50%.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:48 pm to Strannix
MILF (Mulatto I'd Like to F...).
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:49 pm to Lakeboy7
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3 years of material in 60 days? Not easy.
3 years? the frick?
it's maybe 2 semesters
i took 4 tax classes at LSU. there was 0% on the bar about Tax. that's almost an entire semester of class that had literally 0% on the bar
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:50 pm to AUstar
*octaroon is the preferred nomenclature around here
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
There are nine tests which cover approximately 16 semester classes:
Family I
Family II
Civil Property
Successions
Obligations
LA Torts
Civil Procedure I
Civil Procedure II
Con Law I
Con Law II
Fed Procedure
Criminal
Criminal Procedure
Business Entities I
Business Entities II
Negotiable Instruments
Family I
Family II
Civil Property
Successions
Obligations
LA Torts
Civil Procedure I
Civil Procedure II
Con Law I
Con Law II
Fed Procedure
Criminal
Criminal Procedure
Business Entities I
Business Entities II
Negotiable Instruments
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