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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 6/20/26 at 10:22 am to Eurocat
Posted on 6/20/26 at 10:22 am to Eurocat
The author tries hard to paint this in the worst possible light. Here's the first thing I noticed from the bolded part.
He left out the first part of point No. 5: "Upon the signing of this MOU, the Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge for 60 days only from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa. "
If nobody believes that this agreement is carved in stone, or maybe will ever be honored, why are folks so perturbed by the possibility that Iran will conduct dialog about future administration. Things will change over the next 60 days. Assuming that the worst will happen, after 60 days Iran becomes overseer and tollmaster of the SOH, seems like doomcasting and is certainly not guaranteed or even acknowledged in the memorandum. I don't have a link, but Vance did say a few days ago that the long term plan is for passage through the SOH to remain free and unencumbered. The worst that can be said is that there remain future points of contention, which everyone involved and observing already knew.
The article also makes this claim, that the MOU provides
Once again, misleading, or more accurately, lying. Point # 1 says this:
"The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MOU declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon, and undertake from now on not to initiate any war or any military operation against each other and to refrain from the threat or use of force against each other and ensuring the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon. The final deal will confirm the permanent termination of the war on all fronts including in Lebanon and other provisions of this paragraph."
This clearly doesn't protect Hezbollah if they refuse to terminate their activities against Israel. Despite any rhetoric to date, nobody in the administration expects Israel to do nothing while Hezbollah continues their terror war from Lebanon. It even goes further and states that Iran and their allies must ensure the " territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon." The Lebanese government has made it clear that they consider Hezbollah to be an unwelcome force and a threat to their sovereignty. The MOU does not provide "protection for Hezbollah".
and this:
Point #8 clearly addressed this claim:
"resolve the disposition of stockpile enriched material pursuant to a mechanism that will be mutually agreed upon in accordance with the schedule mentioned in Paragraph 7 with the the minimum methodology to be downblending on site under the supervision of the IAEA."
This doesn't rule out removing the material entirely, but why go to the trouble of removing fissile material if it can more easily be degraded on site, and verified as such? Did the author not read or understand that sentence?
I could go on, but it's clear this article by whomever was either written in bad faith or without good comprehension of what the MOU says.
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Point No. 5: “The Islamic Republic of Iran will conduct dialog with the Sultanate of Oman to define the future administration and maritime services in the Strait of Hormuz.” Why would opening the door for “administration” of a previously free international waterway even be part this agreement?
He left out the first part of point No. 5: "Upon the signing of this MOU, the Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge for 60 days only from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa. "
If nobody believes that this agreement is carved in stone, or maybe will ever be honored, why are folks so perturbed by the possibility that Iran will conduct dialog about future administration. Things will change over the next 60 days. Assuming that the worst will happen, after 60 days Iran becomes overseer and tollmaster of the SOH, seems like doomcasting and is certainly not guaranteed or even acknowledged in the memorandum. I don't have a link, but Vance did say a few days ago that the long term plan is for passage through the SOH to remain free and unencumbered. The worst that can be said is that there remain future points of contention, which everyone involved and observing already knew.
The article also makes this claim, that the MOU provides
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Protection of Hezbollah from Israeli attack. No mention of Iran reining in its terror proxies in Gaza, Lebanon and Yemen.
Once again, misleading, or more accurately, lying. Point # 1 says this:
"The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MOU declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon, and undertake from now on not to initiate any war or any military operation against each other and to refrain from the threat or use of force against each other and ensuring the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon. The final deal will confirm the permanent termination of the war on all fronts including in Lebanon and other provisions of this paragraph."
This clearly doesn't protect Hezbollah if they refuse to terminate their activities against Israel. Despite any rhetoric to date, nobody in the administration expects Israel to do nothing while Hezbollah continues their terror war from Lebanon. It even goes further and states that Iran and their allies must ensure the " territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon." The Lebanese government has made it clear that they consider Hezbollah to be an unwelcome force and a threat to their sovereignty. The MOU does not provide "protection for Hezbollah".
and this:
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No mechanism to surrender the enriched uranium it has already created.
Point #8 clearly addressed this claim:
"resolve the disposition of stockpile enriched material pursuant to a mechanism that will be mutually agreed upon in accordance with the schedule mentioned in Paragraph 7 with the the minimum methodology to be downblending on site under the supervision of the IAEA."
This doesn't rule out removing the material entirely, but why go to the trouble of removing fissile material if it can more easily be degraded on site, and verified as such? Did the author not read or understand that sentence?
I could go on, but it's clear this article by whomever was either written in bad faith or without good comprehension of what the MOU says.
This post was edited on 6/20/26 at 10:50 am
Posted on 6/20/26 at 10:34 am to wdhalgren
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I don’t understand who is going to invest in a $300 billion reconstruction fund for Iran. The U.S. is not doing so, and why would the Qataris or any other country in the Middle East that was just attacked by Iran invest one penny to support Iran’s reconstruction?
Most of the damage inflicted on Iran was directed to military targets. Why would anyone want to help Iran rebuild its military capabilities?
Even if the funds were limited to humanitarian-related infrastructure, if there is such a thing, money is fungible, and we know the first freed up dollar will go to rebuild Iran’s ballistic and nuclear capabilities.
What am I missing?
Posted on 6/20/26 at 10:36 am to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/20/26 at 10:42 am to hawgfaninc
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FOX & FRIENDS: The Journal is reporting that the remnants of the Iranian navy are turning ships back in the Strait of Hormuz. Is that a violation of the MOU?
JD VANCE: I'm skeptical of that reporting, or at least of some of the conclusions that could drawn from it. We're not seeing any evidence that the Iranians are still closing down the Strait of Hormuz
Posted on 6/20/26 at 10:58 am to BayouBengal51
What a shame. I pray I’m wrong and this deal is not the true mou and more so propaganda from Iran. I pray that Israel is able to end the Islamic regime regardless of the US. I’m ashamed we gave credence to the irgc as an equal negotiator to the US. We failed in taking out all of the irgc leadership.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 11:20 am to hawgfaninc
Bill Ackman is asking the right questions and we should all absolutely be skeptical.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 11:36 am to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/20/26 at 11:38 am to hawgfaninc
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This started yesterday -- four Israeli soldiers were killed when an anti-tank rocket struck their tank.
The entire crew was killed.
Hours later 5 more IDF soldiers were wounded in another attack.
This was always going to be the result. Israel has the right to strike back under international law and no MOU that is not signed by Israel changes that.
The MOU is -- and always has been -- meaningless.
Meaningless except to buy time
Posted on 6/20/26 at 12:02 pm to hawgfaninc
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Iranian media outlets have been instructed to avoid portraying the renewed closure of the Strait of Hormuz and #Iran ’s simultaneous participation in Switzerland talks as a divide between the country's armed forces and negotiators, according to a SNSC directive seen by Iran International.
"The directive urged media outlets to frame military actions not as a replacement for diplomacy but as its support, and to avoid presenting negotiations as a sign of retreat."
Posted on 6/20/26 at 12:15 pm to wdhalgren
Sounds like a bunch of posters from this thread wrote it, then claimed it as fact
Posted on 6/20/26 at 12:18 pm to hawgfaninc
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What am I missing?
What are you missing Bill? The same thing everyone else is missing, including the people that endlessly claim the U.S. is handing out $300 billion. There is no reconstruction fund, nowhere has the President or Vice President said that. Only in Dim world has that been said.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 12:25 pm to hawgfaninc
But the Panicans were just panicking about this as if there is a simple door Iran can just open and close on the strait and no one else has a key
I encourage all the Dims out there to continue to listen to propaganda and make yourselves look stupid
I encourage all the Dims out there to continue to listen to propaganda and make yourselves look stupid
Posted on 6/20/26 at 12:36 pm to hawgfaninc
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CENTCOM: The U.S. military says it remains “present and vigilant” in the Strait of Hormuz after Iran announced the closure of the strategic waterway.
U.S. Central Command stated that American forces are working to ensure “all aspects of the agreement with Iran are adhered to, obeyed, and in full force and effect.”
The Strait of Hormuz remains one of the world’s most critical energy shipping routes.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 12:51 pm to Rainier Fog
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Sounds like a bunch of posters from this thread wrote it, then claimed it as fact
You say that as sort of a joke, but it's amazing how quickly "journalism" has devolved into social media smack talk. There was never much integrity, but there was a time when the bias was more subtle, the lies a bit harder to detect. These days I'm impressed if they can negotiate subect-verb agreement. The pretense of objectivity is a lost art.
This post was edited on 6/20/26 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 6/20/26 at 1:29 pm to ninthward
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What a shame.
So much waffling. What are the sources of this painful waffling?
This post was edited on 6/20/26 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 6/20/26 at 2:45 pm to MrLSU
There is nothing bigger than AI right now. OpenAI, challenging the MIC was a thunderbolt. Myself included thinks souring the gulf states region is not a bad idea. Check out the data centers built or being planned there.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 3:44 pm to QboveTopSecret
Posted on 6/20/26 at 3:47 pm to hawgfaninc
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JD Vance responded to lifting oil sanctions on Iran:
“By lifting the sanctions, we’re actually going to be able to see a little bit where their financial system actually sends money and receives money. That’s a real benefit to the American people. And that’s really the only thing that has changed by the change in sanctions.”
(Vance Initially promised that the deal would be on a ‘performance’ basis, we all knew that clause 10 says that Iran would get sanctions relief right away)
Posted on 6/20/26 at 4:56 pm to hawgfaninc
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That’s a real benefit to Hezbollah and Hamas
Fixed it for JD.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 5:34 pm to Tigerfan1274
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Israeli forces have seized Hezbollah's underground Southern Front headquarters in southern Lebanon, a fortified complex that served as the organization's primary command-and-control center for operations against northern Israel.
The IDF holds the Ali al-Taher Ridge, Tebnine, and the Nabatieh Heights. Dozens of militants are reported still inside. Iran is working to halt the advance.
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