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re: Official 2017 Dutch General Election Thread (Rutter wins, Netherlands loses)
Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:02 pm to PoundFoolish
Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:02 pm to PoundFoolish
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Actually this is because of NATO (at least until recently), the Cold War which heightened the consciences of Western European countries, and loans from the US.
I never said it wasn't. In fact, the EU was an American idea. We conceived of it, lobbied for it, strong-armed countries where we had to, and invested in its startup and expansion.
And now you guys want to get rid of it. Great.
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:03 pm to Pettifogger
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I admittedly did not travel throughout all of the Netherlands, but of the four countries we're talking about, the Netherlands struck me as having the least "tense" situation posed by immigration/refugees/Islam generally. It was portrayed to me more as a practical problem rather than some ideological battle.
And while migrants are very apparent in all 4 countries, Holland arguably feels the safest, IMO, at least recently.
I've lived in Vienna for the last two years. It is perfectly safe here. In fact, it is one of the safest places I've ever lived. Safer than Baton Rouge, for instance.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:04 pm to TxTiger82
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Safer than Baton Rouge, for instance.
for now
Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:04 pm to PoundFoolish
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debatable when you consider the troubles in the Balkans, Czechloslovakia, and other countries . . . and problems of the post-Cold War
The casualties of all of those conflicts combined add up to a tiny fraction of the casualties of WWII.
Let's call it "Pax Americana." It's a real thing.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:06 pm to TxTiger82
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And now you guys want to get rid of it. Great.
"We" just want some semblance of national sovereignty, cultural sustainability, not some New Papal Order overriding our right to self-preservation.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:11 pm to PoundFoolish
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national sovereignty
They need to forge a new European national identity. There's no way around it, IMO.
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cultural sustainability
That's a new one.
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New Papal Order overriding our right to self-preservation
Not sure our rights are involved here.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:13 pm to TxTiger82
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Not sure our rights are involved here.
I plan to have dual citizenship in the near future . . . they certainly are.
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:13 pm to TxTiger82
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I've lived in Vienna for the last two years. It is perfectly safe here. In fact, it is one of the safest places I've ever lived. Safer than Baton Rouge, for instance.
We are thinking of making a trip to Vienna and Salzburg this year. May try and get some input from you if we settle on it and you're willing.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:16 pm to TxTiger82
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And now you guys want to get rid of it. Great.
Let's put it this way. Long term I want them to be strong and united when it comes to peace in Europe, but not united as one economy controlled by Germany.
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:19 pm to Sentrius
quote:Gonna quote a really good comment I saw on r/worldnews
Wilders really is no different than the other dutch candidates aside from immigration and border security.
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He actively opposes the constitution. Blatantly opposes the rights it grants. He doesn't actually say it, but you couldn't implement his ideas without scrapping half the constitution, leaving the population without rights. Apart from that, he's shown to be against freedom of speech. He says to be in favour of it, but if you're not on his side, he's done with you. You have no right to speak as far as he's concerned. He's got no respect for the Dutch method of politics, the poldermodel, and actively seeks to destroy it through polarisation. Where there's cooperation, he wants strife. Where there's order, he wants chaos. He aims for instability. At least until he's the leader. He accepts no opposition.
In 2012, he even caused the fall of parliament because he didn't get his way during the crisis. He left the entire people hanging when he was needed, just because he didn't have full control. That was the last time he was in a coalition. He wasn't in it after the 2012 reelections, and I highly doubt he will be in the next coalition. He also blatantly opposes the economy. Maybe the UK can get away with Brexit, although that remains to be seen, but the Netherlands couldn't possibly do the same without killing its economy. The Netherlands has the largest seaport in all of Europe, with another important one further north. We might as well close it down if we left the EU, and let Antwerp pick up the slack. Apart from that, the Netherlands are just in all respect a nation of trade. The country depends on it, and for all the money that's given to the EU, the country depends on the EU as well. We could survive if every country left the EU at the same time, but leaving it on our own would put the country at a massive economic disadvantage.
And all that in the name of nationalism. But what this "nationalist" seeks is the blatant destruction of the Netherlands.
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:21 pm to Iosh
And you got this from . . . some EU back bencher's blog?
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:12 pm to PoundFoolish
When I went into the coffee shops in The Hague it was all Muslim guys in there smoking spliffs and playing FIFA. maybe the weed keeps them tamped down a bit and less awful than in other areas
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:17 pm to Iosh
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Gonna quote a really good comment I saw on r/worldnews
Oh, well, this assessment absolutely must be true then.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:41 pm to Mo Jeaux
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“Democracy is definitely alive,” said Mark Bovens, a political scientist at Utrecht University, noting the high turnout. “The nationalist parties have won seats, compared to 2012 — Wilders’s party has gained seats, as has a new party, the Forum for Democracy — but their electorate is stable; it has not grown. And some of the traditional parties have moved in a more nationalistic direction, taking a bit of wind out of his sails. You see the same strategy in Germany.”
So if a populist party wins a democratic held election is democracy dead?
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:45 pm to Iosh
Looks like a noteworthy source
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:47 pm to mule74
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So if a populist party
If by populist you mean popular with the globalist . . .
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is democracy dead?
it's on life support anyway
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:51 pm to Sentrius
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The EU is what is driving their their chaotic, dangerous and immoral immigrant situation and enabling 3rd world immigrants to frick shite up.
shite is going to have to really hit the fan for them to swallow this hard truth and vote accordingly as they are completely entrenched in this mindset that you speak of.
How has the EU done this? Most of the Dutch Muslims came from work programs in the 60s and 70s from Turkey and Morocco. There are nearly as many immigrants from the Dutch East Indies and Suriname as there are from Turkey and Morocco, and those former immigrant communities a large portion of the crime as well.
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It's going to be a long time before they wise up like based Poland and Hungary.
Yes they should be like Hungary, which has been in decline since 1993.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:04 pm to RCDfan1950
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Muslims don't immigrate to assimilate; they come to establish a cultural beachhead, in service to their Religious mandate.
We clearly are at war, with the recent ruling in Hawaii and threats from other West Coast states. The Muslim bulkhead is established.
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 9:06 pm
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