re: Official 2017 Dutch General Election Thread (Rutter wins, Netherlands loses)

Wilders is even nuttier than Trump.

15/03 15:16 Voting time extended for some
Unexpectedly high turnout today has seen extra ballots printed at the last minute, and unused papers in some areas bussed to high demand locations to ensure all who want to vote can.

Despite the trouble, the Dutch electoral authorities have not allowed stations to open later, but will allow people who joined queues before 2100CET to vote, regardless of how long it takes them to reach the desk.

Those who arrived at polling stations after 2100 will be turned away.

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Wilders is even nuttier than Trump.

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He sure is nutty to call Islam out for what it is . . .

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The EU is what is driving their their chaotic, dangerous and immoral immigrant situation and enabling 3rd world immigrants to frick shite up.

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As someone who has actually been to the Netherlands recently, I think this is dramatically overstated. The immigration situation is certainly a problem. No one contests that, and attacks in France, Germany, and elsewhere serve as the evidence. But you make it sound like the entire continent is on fire, which is simply not true.

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It's going to be a long time before they wise up like based Poland and Hungary.

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Yes, Poland and Hungary have it all figured out. Life is so great in those countries and so terrible in the Netherlands. Gimme a break, man.

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As someone who has actually been to the Netherlands recently, I think this is dramatically overstated. The immigration situation is certainly a problem. No one contests that, and attacks in France, Germany, and elsewhere serve as the evidence. But you make it sound like the entire continent is on fire, which is simply not true.

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I admittedly did not travel throughout all of the Netherlands, but of the four countries we're talking about, the Netherlands struck me as having the least "tense" situation posed by immigration/refugees/Islam generally. It was portrayed to me more as a practical problem rather than some ideological battle.

And while migrants are very apparent in all 4 countries, Holland arguably feels the safest, IMO, at least recently.

And which is why you're probably ultimately going to get a lot of people who agree with cultural preservation and immigration reform, but get really uneasy with the return of rabid nationalism in Europe.

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Let's also remember that the EU and its predecessors have brought peace and economic prosperity to Europe for about 70 years,

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Actually this is because of NATO (at least until recently), the Cold War which heightened the consciences of Western European countries, and loans from the US.

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which happens to be one of the most peaceful periods in European history since the fall of Rome

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debatable when you consider the troubles in the Balkans, Czechloslovakia, and other countries . . . and problems of the post-Cold War

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They have also achieved the highest quality of life ever observed in human history (objectively measured)

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not all of them . . . travel to Greece or Portugal and tell me I'm wrong

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It has its issues, but the EU is a good thing.

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no

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And it is also something that the "Greatest Generation" fought and died for.

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Which Americans and the British formed the larger part of

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This is the legacy of WWII. It is simply lost on my why some of you could possibly support its dissolution based on the immigration crisis.

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The legacy of WWII is and remains fascist tyranny's failure in the face of democratic ideals and the cold war

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You guys want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and you don't even see it.

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This "baby" is a an old crank that needs to be euthanized

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Let's also remember that the EU and its predecessors have brought peace and economic prosperity to Europe for about 70 years, which happens to be one of the most peaceful periods in European history since the fall of Rome. They have also achieved the highest quality of life ever observed in human history (objectively measured).

It has its issues, but the EU is a good thing. And it is also something that the "Greatest Generation" fought and died for. Peace in Europe. Economic prosperity. Quality of life. This is the legacy of WWII.

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That's all well and good but it's not the same well intentioned EU they built and grew old with. It's a burdensome and out of control organization that is stifling economic growth and national security of individual nation states and the worst part is that they are completely unaccountable to voters.

With that said, I don't mind the concept of what you think the EU is and they may have contributed a great deal to Europe, hell I even don't have a problem with NATO right now beyond financial agreements.

But's that's not what the EU is today and thus they have to be reformed or destroyed.

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It is simply lost on my why some of you could possibly support its dissolution based on the immigration crisis. You guys want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and you don't even see it.

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Because they absolutely refuse to change their position on unfettered and unchecked immigration with no safeguards and seek to double down on it and the crisis is getting worse and worse and is headed to critical mass.

So therefore it's either change or dismantle the EU.

yeah

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But you're waifu is shite