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NYT op-ed’s wildly woke argument against SATs includes shocking admission

Posted on 9/21/26 at 10:53 am
Posted by djmed
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 9/21/26 at 10:53 am
dumbing it down

NYT op-ed’s wildly woke argument against SATs includes shocking admission that students struggle with ‘basic math’


A New York Times writer came out swinging against the push to bring back admissions tests at the University of California — even as she admitted that students are struggling with “basic math.”

But all of that is worth it, Miriam Pawal argued, because the university is now more inclusive.

“Students on University of California campuses may struggle with basic math, but they are graduating at record rates,” she wrote, hailing the “exceptional” university system for its “commitment to increase access without sacrificing excellence.”


More students are graduating from the University of California than ever before, but many of them can’t do basic math — which an NYT op-ed published Wednesday argues is an acceptable trade-off.

She buttressed her point with statistics about how around 40% of its students are the first in their families to attend college. “More than half qualify for free tuition,” she gushed.


“When the University of California eliminated the SAT requirement for admission in 2021, UCLA saw a significant jump in applications from high-achieving black and Latino students, for whom the standardized tests had been a barrier,” she said.



“The percentages of underrepresented students have crept up, through a variety of initiatives. The California Dream Act gave undocumented students access to financial aid, as well as in-state tuition.”

Pawal has been doing the rounds promoting her new book, “California Dream: The Making and Remaking of the University of California” — which cases the nation’s largest and most prestigious public university system as first and foremost “an engine of upward mobility.”

Even readers of the lefty New York Times were skeptical of her take.

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Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 9/21/26 at 10:58 am to
So they're just selling useless pieces of paper. Got it.
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 9/21/26 at 10:58 am to
If you can’t do basic math you shouldn’t be able to obtain a college degree. Period.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/21/26 at 10:59 am to
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hailing the “exceptional” university system for its “commitment to increase access without sacrificing excellence.”


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Students on University of California campuses may struggle with basic math, but they are graduating at record rates,


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without sacrificing excellence


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
484143 posts
Posted on 9/21/26 at 11:00 am to
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If you can’t do basic math you shouldn’t be able to obtain a college degree. Period.

I've argued for years if you can't pass real calculus you shouldn't obtain a college degree
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 9/21/26 at 11:02 am to
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If you can’t do basic math you shouldn’t be able to obtain a college degree.

Uh, if you can't do basic math you shouldn't be able to ENTER college. That's how it used to be.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 9/21/26 at 11:09 am to
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But all of that is worth it, Miriam Pawal argued, because the university is now more inclusive.


They are diminishing the value of their degrees across the board. Letting not so bright students in is not doing anyone any favors. The left is addled by the stupidity of their ideology.
Posted by Finnish
Member since Nov 2021
901 posts
Posted on 9/21/26 at 11:26 am to
I think we are just witnessing the collapse of the old (state) superpowers. Just like Europe gave way to the US. California/NY are beginning to give way to traditional sections of the country.

Let it happen. There’s already been a massive move to TX. The thought leaders of our time (Elon, for example) are no longer wasting money in the political wastelands.
Posted by FlySaint
FL Panhandle
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 9/21/26 at 11:52 am to
How can one be simultaneously high achieving and unable to perform basic math?
Posted by SallysHuman
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Member since Jan 2025
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Posted on 9/21/26 at 12:05 pm to
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How can one be simultaneously high achieving and unable to perform basic math?


Because math isn't necessary to splooge out a thesaurus on the hierarchy of intersectional identity markers in a post capitalist society governed by equity in the higher learning spaces of tomorrow's today.

I think I did that right... feel free to grade me.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
20499 posts
Posted on 9/21/26 at 12:15 pm to
this tracks, as the kids say

my wife and i were recently discussing the rapid decline in overall competency in our healthcare system, as well as in other aspects of our economy

i theorized that its largely due to the exit from the workforce of millions of boomers/GenXers who were required to be able to adhere to minimum standards - for example, the ability to do basic math and algebra - and their younger replacements lack of those capabilities due to lax educational requirements


buckle in folks, its only gonna get worse
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
11673 posts
Posted on 9/21/26 at 12:18 pm to
Linear Algebra was a bit more trying concept in 1967, during the dying days of the slide rule.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 9/21/26 at 12:21 pm to
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if you can't pass real calculus you shouldn't obtain a college degree
Meh. Calculus is widely useless for the majority of folks.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
67366 posts
Posted on 9/21/26 at 12:25 pm to
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But all of that is worth it, Miriam Pawal argued, because the university is now more inclusive.

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Miriam
hmmmmmm
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
53413 posts
Posted on 9/21/26 at 12:26 pm to
Thought it would be Babylon.
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