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re: NY Post: Time to Face Facts; Obama's Presidency Was a Failure

Posted on 4/8/17 at 1:46 pm to
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

What was Obama's approval ratings on his last day in office?

Non sequitur.

Appeal to popularity Fallacy.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

What was Obama's approval ratings on his last day in office?



This really doesn't mean anything to the democratic party considering they've lost over a thousand seats in Congress, Statehouses, Governors races and then the White House.

People were able to separate Obama the likable have a beer with guy from Obama the horrible and shitty president.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61475 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 1:51 pm to
The New York Post calling Obama a failure is like the New York Times calling Bush a failure.

In other news, water is wet.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
39926 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 1:53 pm to
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He was pretty mainstream democrat about it.


I'm a about as close to a middle of the road Democrat/Independent as you can get, and Obama is a frito away from a Bernie Socialist.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35381 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 1:54 pm to
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Over half the country also wishes we were Mexico or the ME.

Besides, your link shows no source authority. Fail.

ETA: Published by Quartz
Sorry. I clicked on the chart and that didn't include the whole article.

Obama’s approval rating from his first day to his last, in charts

The approval ratings are from Gallup.
This post was edited on 4/8/17 at 1:55 pm
Posted by PoundFoolish
East Texas
Member since Jul 2016
3724 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 1:58 pm to
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The approval ratings are from Gallup.


The same poll that had Trump behind a double-digit deficit leading up to the election, I gotcha
Posted by asurob1
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 1:59 pm to
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The approval ratings are from Gallup.


Come on buckeye, we know that Gallup is fake news poll.

Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
26488 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 2:00 pm to
It's always fake news unless its good that persons side. Then its the Word.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167441 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 2:00 pm to
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he is off winsurfing with Toddy. Barry could care less.

Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35381 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 2:01 pm to
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The same poll that had Trump behind a double-digit deficit leading up to the election, I gotcha
The same poll that didn't actually poll the presidential race?
This post was edited on 4/8/17 at 2:02 pm
Posted by PoundFoolish
East Texas
Member since Jul 2016
3724 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 2:03 pm to
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It's always fake news unless its good that persons side. Then its the Word.


No it's always fake news where there are vested interests. But #VeryFakeNews is ALWAYS (key qualifier) in the hands of libtards.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49404 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 2:04 pm to


quote:

What was Obama's approval ratings on his last day in office?

What are Trump's current ones?


Approval ratings are meaningless in terms of judging political effectiveness.

The same population that elected Trump - for which you criticize - hold those approval ratings for Obama.

Americans, by a vast majority, are politically inept. Their opinions on political matters have no value.
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
26488 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 2:06 pm to
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But #VeryFakeNews is ALWAYS (key qualifier) in the hands of libtards.




You don't find it a tad odd that it seems like the people you call "libtards" are ALWAYS wrong while they think you're ALWAYS wrong?
Posted by PoundFoolish
East Texas
Member since Jul 2016
3724 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 2:08 pm to
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"libtards" are ALWAYS wrong while they think you're ALWAYS wrong?


not what I said or even implied . . . nice straw man
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12837 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 2:09 pm to
Obama was in the unique position to pretty much end racism in this country once and for all.

He did the opposite. Fanned the flames and made everything about race, even when it wasn't.
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
49956 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 2:11 pm to
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You won't find many here, since most of us are either conservative or libertarian i


One more prevarication on your part. There are a good many liberals here. Some of them, like losh, try to camoflouge their left-wing nature by falsely portraying themselves as libertarian.

Others use various facades. One left-wing poster even sports an av of Ronald Reagan in a pathetic attempt to hide his true nature. Won't call him out by name, though.
Posted by Bullethead88
Half way between LSU and Tulane
Member since Dec 2009
4202 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 2:11 pm to
The underlying discussion is one thing, but presenting an article by Klye Smith of the NYPost as containing anything worthy of consideration in such a discussion is ludicrous.

Smith's chief assignment at the NY Post is as their chief film critic, with an occasional venture as a book critic. Smith is widely regarded as having inept capabilities, even with the low bar set for newspaper film critics.

Presenting anything Smith might say about politics as support, weakens your side of the discussion.





Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
43858 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 2:11 pm to
It will be interesting to see how history views him twenty years from now. I probably will not be around to see it but many here will be and I suspect his groupies, and they are legion, will continue to sing his praises while propagating their various versions of revisionist history.

I remember vividly the true stories of both Nixon and Carter and, even today, Nixon was not nearly as bad as pundits claim nor was Carter nearly as intelligent or compassionate as his worshippers still tout to this day. I'm amazed at how many lefties my age and older will freely, openly and proudly proclaim Carter to be their favorite POTUS prior to Obama.

Our saving grace may be, with regard to Obama, that many kids these days, in HS, college and even in their mid to late twenties, know the truth. They'll not be nearly as idealistic in their forties, fifties and sixties as they are now. They are not as brainwashable as we might worry them to be.

I'm predicting a pretty big swing of the pendulum in the next couple of decades ... Obama has done some damage. The main problem is going to be overcoming the shift to the left of the pivot point on the pendulum - Obama shifted that considerably with his social welfare and immigration policies and about the time those anchor babies become old enough to vote, 20-25 years from now, there will be another swing back to the far left and all of Obama's major, and minor, transgressions will be revisited in a favorable light by the cancerous MSM with the help of a resurging influence by Obama by then ... who will still be around unfortunately.

So how he is judged historically - in the long run - is probably going to be in a positive light, on the written record, but those adults who lived through it will spread the true word on his fricktard arse much as people my age have offered our opinions on LBJ (asshat, socialist), Nixon (insecure political megalomaniac, but a genius with good intentions where our country was concerned), Ford (original RINO), Carter (egocentric idealistic socialist fricktard), Reagan (I loved the man but he had his faults, though not many, God Bless him forever), HW Bush (horrible POTUS and modern epitome of RINO), Clinton (sheesh, the ultimate opportunist, bullshitter, horseshoe up his arse politician. A used car salesman, a liar.), GW Bush (meant well, was hard to count on one way or the other politically but he was dealt a bad hand both timing-wise and genetically. He did far more good things than bad though.), ... and I then there is this total fricking evil frick named Obama. How he polarized the greatest nation on Earth to the point that we are ... I never ever thought I would see the day and I lived through the sixties.

What Obama's legacy should always begin with is pathologically anti-U.S. of A., criminally fricking evil on so many levels it boggles the mind.
This post was edited on 4/8/17 at 3:03 pm
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61475 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 2:15 pm to
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The same population that elected Trump - for which you criticize - hold those approval ratings for Obama.


Trump didn't run against Obama so that really doesn't mean much. It's not like Hillary has ever been close to being as popular as him.
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
49956 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 2:16 pm to
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Our saving grace may be, with regard to Obama, that many kids these days, in HS, college and even in their kid to late twenties, know the truth. They'll not be nearly as idealistic in their forties, fifties and sixties as they are now. 


I keep hearing that Generation Z is going to be one of the most conservative generations in America's history.


Grow up quickly, boys & girls. We need you.
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