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re: Number of federal workers accepting buyout has jumped to 75,000 per axios
Posted on 2/6/25 at 6:44 pm to TigerAxeOK
Posted on 2/6/25 at 6:44 pm to TigerAxeOK
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It's unlawful for those people to have a second job while representing the government,
This is 100% false. There isn't a law stating you can't have a second job. What they can't do is have 2 full time jobs with the same schedule.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 6:47 pm to boogiewoogie1978
You have to get it signed off by your supervisor. If you didn’t then you are breaking the rules.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 6:51 pm to Swampcat
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Can they ever return to federal employment?
Yes they can.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 6:56 pm to boogiewoogie1978
You can have outside employment, you just have to have permission.
Also, many are required to fill out an annual form disclosing all income, spouse income, investment holdings, asset name, personal loans not showing up on a commercial credit report, etc. There is full disclosure of finances.
The people taking the buyout are people that would retire this year anyway, those who are probationary and see the writing in the wall, and those that planned on leaving anyway.
The stay until Monday is going to bump up those numbers as more people have time to plan. Also, a court upholding the offer will add validity. Lot of people holding out because they don't trust it. If a court gives validation to it, that will make the numbers pop too.
Trump will easily get his 10% number. Then reorganize with who's left and move on. First POTUS to do such a thing in a long time. Congrats.
If it comes to a RIF, severance is one week salary for each year up to the first 10 years, 2 weeks for every year after that. So a 20 year employee in their early 50s not ready to retire would get a severance of 30 weeks, that's almost 8 months right there. Why not ride it out and see. On a RIF scale, employees over 10 years of service are somewhat safe. It's worth the risk.
Also, many are required to fill out an annual form disclosing all income, spouse income, investment holdings, asset name, personal loans not showing up on a commercial credit report, etc. There is full disclosure of finances.
The people taking the buyout are people that would retire this year anyway, those who are probationary and see the writing in the wall, and those that planned on leaving anyway.
The stay until Monday is going to bump up those numbers as more people have time to plan. Also, a court upholding the offer will add validity. Lot of people holding out because they don't trust it. If a court gives validation to it, that will make the numbers pop too.
Trump will easily get his 10% number. Then reorganize with who's left and move on. First POTUS to do such a thing in a long time. Congrats.
If it comes to a RIF, severance is one week salary for each year up to the first 10 years, 2 weeks for every year after that. So a 20 year employee in their early 50s not ready to retire would get a severance of 30 weeks, that's almost 8 months right there. Why not ride it out and see. On a RIF scale, employees over 10 years of service are somewhat safe. It's worth the risk.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 6:59 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
How many have been offered? 75K is a lot of there are 76K employees. If there are 50 million offered then it isn't quite as significant.
How many have been offered.
How many have been offered.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 6:59 pm to bamalee
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What people don't understand is when we shutdown the government, Trump is going to lay them off, so he can pay soldiers and retiree's. It should be awesome, I tell you...
As a doctor at the VA who actually works 5+ days a week and helps Veterans, I’m hoping I’m retained or at least given a chance to prove my value.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 7:07 pm to SoDakHawk
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SoDakHawk
This guy gets it
Posted on 2/6/25 at 7:08 pm to Rouxdee
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This guy gets it
Yes
Although I doubt they get more than 6% or so like normal turnover.
Then he will fire probationary employees, that would get them over the 10% i believe
Posted on 2/6/25 at 7:14 pm to omegaman66
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How many have been offered?
Roughly 1.8 million. Every federal employee outside of military, postal, ATC, and immigration enforcement.
Just recently came out that agencies now need supervisory approval of resignations on a person-by-person basis. That tells me more key people were taking the buyout which would lead to disruptions in key infrastructure, security, and government services.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 7:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Nobody was forced to accept the offer.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 7:18 pm to gaetti15
Yep. 13% of Feds are probationary right now. He'll get to 10%. Phase 2 is a selective hiring freeze to shrink the size of government naturally through attrition. Attrition rate each year is about 100,000, so 5% or so. He can easily reduce government size by 25% over his term rather painlessly.
Why is it important to do this smart?
One, you don't want to shock the system and have a million feds unemployed. For every Fed job you lose, 2 more private sector jobs go with it. Think how hard Congressman fight to keep their bases and Federal buildings. Losing them wrecks the local economy. Same thing on a bigger scale.
Two, go ahead and piss off 2.5 million Feds and see if you win another election. Elections are close. Trump won Virginia, does he want Vance to win it in 2028? Does he want to win in midterms?
Gotta be smart about this.
Why is it important to do this smart?
One, you don't want to shock the system and have a million feds unemployed. For every Fed job you lose, 2 more private sector jobs go with it. Think how hard Congressman fight to keep their bases and Federal buildings. Losing them wrecks the local economy. Same thing on a bigger scale.
Two, go ahead and piss off 2.5 million Feds and see if you win another election. Elections are close. Trump won Virginia, does he want Vance to win it in 2028? Does he want to win in midterms?
Gotta be smart about this.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 7:19 pm to Rouxdee
Clarify for me. How can a resignation need approval. If someone resigns it isn't like you make them stay.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 7:19 pm to teke184
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full time jobs with the Feds and another
I know a few of these
Posted on 2/6/25 at 7:21 pm to SoDakHawk
Ding, ding, ding.
Though I would put every fed job at at x5 private if including contractor support.
Though I would put every fed job at at x5 private if including contractor support.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 7:23 pm to Rouxdee
Unemployment would soar if the cuts are too deep , too fast.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 7:25 pm to SoDakHawk
You know exactly what you’re talking about… also red states receiving more federal dollars than they provide into the coffer are reliant on various programs that keeping local and state government running… cut those and you will see political pushback as local taxes will be raised
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 2/6/25 at 7:33 pm to omegaman66
It’s a deferred resignation until September, still employed getting paid.
On the other hand, an old fashioned “I quit here’s my two weeks notice”- then yea nothing to do there.
On the other hand, an old fashioned “I quit here’s my two weeks notice”- then yea nothing to do there.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 7:35 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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I don't see why not. It's a registration. Just like quitting
It's a legitimate question.
A few years ago one of my close co-workers got caught up in a RIF (Fortune 10 company) and took the buyout. We created and had approved a new position specifically to bring him back, and when we hired him back, HR told us no, he took the severance so he can't come back, period. These are legitimate questions.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 7:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
When are the Dem's shutting down the government again? Then we can blame them for all those civil servants losing out on their severance!!!!!
Posted on 2/6/25 at 7:39 pm to SoDakHawk
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Gotta be smart about this.
Yeah, people here need to have a bit more foresight than “frick em fire em all now”. It’s just a different brand of being overly emotional like democrats are.
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