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re: Nixon’s southern strategy

Posted on 2/8/20 at 8:43 pm to
Posted by BuzzSaw 12
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Posted on 2/8/20 at 8:43 pm to
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What?


Posted by LSU92
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/8/20 at 8:51 pm to
Democrat senator from West Virginia Robert Byrd would like to have a word with you...

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David Duke would like to have a word with you.
Posted by DimTigerDontHate
Member since Feb 2020
180 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:03 pm to
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That’s crazy because every democrat i know irl practices the soft bigotry of low expectations and racism by claiming minorities can’t get into schools/jobs on merit alone & they can’t get even get an ID to vote, they’re THAT incapable.

Now tell me, who’s the racist party as a whole?

Keep it coming, I can bitchslap you all night


Congrats on adding nothing to the conversation. I'm sure that patting yourself on the back makes you feel pretty good though, big fella. Aren't pubs still claiming that Obama was born in Kenya? You're right, I'm sure they would've thought the same thing if he were white. Don't get me started on race baiting loon Rush Limbaugh getting the medal of freedom earlier this week. Please proceed with this 'bitchslap' I'm trembling.
Posted by samson73103
Krypton
Member since Nov 2008
8193 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:03 pm to
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someone with out partisan leanings

good luck with that.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:07 pm to
Essentially all whites in the South were democrats after the Civil War. Lincoln, after all was a Republican.

Wallace took the Southern states away from the Dems in 68. (Goldwater carried Southern States in 64 too.)

In 72 the South went all Nixon.
Posted by Radler_the_weinerdog
New Orleans
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Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:08 pm to
You are simply too stupid to believe
Posted by Radler_the_weinerdog
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2016
1482 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:09 pm to
Right because it’s “only” one guy.
Can you breathe without mechanical assistance?
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
6630 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:18 pm to
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So what is the real story here?


It's a lie. Nixon didn't win the South, but democrat Carter did after the parties supposedly switched. Every state but Illinois voted for Republican Reagan in 1984. So, did 49 states suddenly become racist for a few years?

Let this smart black lady, Professor Carol Swain, explain it to you.

Why Did the Democratic South Become Republican?

Shapiro explains as well

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Also why do republicans struggle with black voters?


They don't promise free shite. They don't go around lying about dems wanting "to put you back in chains." They don't pay off black leaders and pastors to tell their people to vote Republican. They don't control the media. They don't control academia.

Look what happens when a Republican is able to bypass media, black leaders, and academia and speak directly to the people. Trump has historically high support among black people.
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13504 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:40 pm to
If the parties switched under Nixon, why did Blacks start voting Democrat in the Great Depression. Segregation was still a White Southern Democrat tradition along with the KKK.

Blacks deserted the GOP for government handouts of scraps leftover from whites, during FDR Administration.

To be fair the civil rights act that you credit to LBJ, passed Congress because GOP supported it with a higher affirmative voting percentage than the democrats.

Surprised you weren’t taught that in school.

Actually I’m not since unionized school teachers are 90+% Democrats.
This post was edited on 2/8/20 at 9:46 pm
Posted by 225bred
COYS
Member since Jun 2011
20386 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:16 pm to
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Congrats on adding nothing to the conversation.


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I'm sure that patting yourself on the back makes you feel pretty good though, big fella. Aren't pubs still claiming that Obama was born in Kenya? You're right, I'm sure they would've thought the same thing if he were white. Don't get me started on race baiting loon Rush Limbaugh getting the medal of freedom earlier this week. Please proceed with this 'bitchslap' I'm trembling.


atta girl, now that’s a proper melt
Posted by EastBankTiger
A little west of Hoover Dam
Member since Dec 2003
21352 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:23 pm to
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Essentially all whites in the South were democrats after the Civil War. Lincoln, after all was a Republican.

Wallace took the Southern states away from the Dems in 68. (Goldwater carried Southern States in 64 too.)

In 72 the South went all Nixon.


In '72, Wallace finished 3rd in nomination voting at the DNC convention...despite having been shot / paralyzed months before. That alone debunks the "southern strategy" myth.
This post was edited on 2/8/20 at 10:24 pm
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
22303 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:47 pm to
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Congrats on adding nothing to the conversation. I'm sure that patting yourself on the back makes you feel pretty good though, big fella. Aren't pubs still claiming that Obama was born in Kenya? You're right, I'm sure they would've thought the same thing if he were white. Don't get me started on race baiting loon Rush Limbaugh getting the medal of freedom earlier this week. Please proceed with this 'bitchslap' I'm trembling.


Didn't you post that the racists you know in real life are republicans? Your anecdotal evidence holds no more weight than anyone else. The racists I've encountered in real life have been much more of the liberal persuasion. I'd probably put it at a 75/25 split with liberals being more racist. And you can miss me with accusations of being a republican, I haven't been affiliated with any political party in over twenty years.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89622 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:59 pm to
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Republicans love to say that it was the democrats who were the racist and Jim Crow laws were all dems.


Well, that is 100% true.

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So they say the rep party is the party of lincoln and civil rights



Also, 100% true.

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Dems say the two parties switched?


False. Virtually none of the Dixiecrats switched parties and many stayed in office for decades after. The only notable exceptions were Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms, although I think there was 1 other.

Notable Dixiecrats who remained lifelong democrats include Robert Byrd (who was a high-ranking klan member, not just a member as most prominent Democrat officials of the first half of the 20th Century had some klan affiliation).

Now, as far as the Civil Rights Act of 1964, yes LBJ signed it. 80% of Congressional Republicans voted for final passage (despite some reservations). Most Republican opponents did so on Constitutional grounds, not content or that they held racist or discriminatory views (notably Barry Goldwater who did not have a racist bone in his body, yet LBJ successfully smeared him as such).

On the Democrat side, they were split about 2 to 1 for the CRA as passed. The 1/3 who were against it were largely Southern politicians doing so on white supremacy grounds. The vast majority of those politicians remained Democrats for the rest of their lives. Recall their grandparents considered Republicans the party of the war, Reconstruction and oppression.

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Also why do republicans struggle with black voters?



Ironically, Republicans are far more colorblind and pursue policies they believe will benefit all Americans. Democrats perfected race/class/identity politics in the 1960s and 1970s.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89622 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 11:06 pm to
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Wallace took the Southern states away from the Dems in 68.


Some (mostly the cotton belt). For 1 cycle. Humprey carried Texas. Nixon took Virginia, Tennessee, the Carolinas, Florida.

Nixon won everywhere in 1972.

Carter carried every state of the confederacy except Virginia in 1976. That is some fickle fricking racism, right there.

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(Goldwater carried Southern States in 64 too.)


He did carry the cotton belt, mostly. LBJ (a Texan) carried more states of the confederacy than Goldwater did in 1964 and more than Wallace would carry in 1968.

So, there was no "Southern Strategy". The true irony of this crazy theory is that - as the South became less racist, it became more Republican.

This post was edited on 2/8/20 at 11:08 pm
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54231 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 11:15 pm to
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Nixon lost the south in 68, Carter won it in 76, Clinton won GA, Tenn, KY, LA, WV in 92.


And Gore lost his home state of Tenn. and their 6 electoral votes in 2000 which cost him the election. Remember that?
Posted by Macavity92
Member since Dec 2004
5982 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 11:18 pm to
Did you know that the coalition that past the revised Voting Rights Act in the early 1980s consisted of Republicans and the Black Congressional Caucus?
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21967 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 11:21 pm to
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LBJ lost his first race in Texas. He didn't get the majority of black votes. LBJ stated after that loss that he would never be out -iggered again. Fill in the blank. He was a racist.



Quote is accurate except for the wrong person.

That quote Was George C Wallace.


LBJ's quote was when talking out signing the 1964 civil Rights bill. that He would have those damn Iggers Voting Democrat for 100 years!
Posted by LakeCharles
USA
Member since Oct 2016
5068 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 12:17 am to
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Please proceed with this 'bitchslap' I'm trembling.


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This post was edited on 2/9/20 at 12:24 am
Posted by gobuxgo5
Member since Nov 2012
10032 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 12:21 am to
[quote]David Duke would like to have a word with you.[/quote

Guys let the 1988 democratic presidential candidate have his say.
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 12:33 am to
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Republicans love to say that it was the democrats who were the racist and Jim Crow laws were all dems. So they say the rep party is the party of lincoln and civil rights

Dems say the two parties switched? And Nixon needed to appeal to whites in south who were racist and therefore the current electoral demographics.



The simplest answer is that political party is not reflective of cultural ideology. A political party exist with the specific policies it wants to enact. How those policies are enacted and who they are for will change overtime.

The South was Democratic during the sixties and was against civil rights. That was a cultural staple of the South.

When LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act, he didn't do it with the intent of losing white Southerners. The Republicans made a push to get all the White Southerners who were upset with CRA. However, the policies the Democrats supported were still preferred. That's why it wasn't until the 80s when Southern states went Red.
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