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Newly mRNA boosted adults aged 40-74 are now TWICE as likely to be hospitalized for Covid

Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:22 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118737 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:22 pm
quote:

Newly mRNA boosted adults aged 40-74 are now TWICE as likely to be hospitalized for Covid as those who haven't recently been boosted, a new British government report shows.

Vaccine advocates endlessly claim that though mRNA shots fail against Omicron infection in weeks, they still miraculously prevent Covid from becoming a serious illness that could require hospitalization.

These figures, which cover hospitalizations in June, suggest otherwise.

(See that blue bar? Those are the people who have had a booster within the last three months. That bar supposed to be lower than the other bars, not higher. Higher is bad.)




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Posted by BigMob
Georgia
Member since Oct 2021
7625 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:24 pm to
It just means the shots are working
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
29263 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:26 pm to
Getting boosted for these new variants is so unnecessary and you’re putting yourself at way higher a risk for bad stuff to happen from the complications from the vax itself and than the virus
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
68287 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:27 pm to
If they had an extra booster they would have been fine
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14491 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:13 pm to
One had to skip over the bulk of the report stating how useful the vaccines are to get to that graph...and you anti-vaxxers still misinterpret the data.

From the report:

quote:

Figure 15 shows that the highest hospitalization rates were in those aged 75 years and over for
every category of time since last vaccination. The reason for this is that this age group is more
likely to be hospitalized as they are a more vulnerable population. However, among this age
group the hospitalization rate was lowest in those whose last vaccination was 3 months or less
prior to admission (58.1 per 100,000).


So it helps old people

and

quote:

Younger age groups are less likely to have had the spring 2022 booster unless they were in a
clinically high-risk category eligible for vaccination. This may explain why the hospitalisation
rates were possibly slightly more elevated at a shorter interval since vaccination compared to
longer intervals in these age groups: the clinical risk factors that make younger adults eligible
for Spring 2022 vaccination may also make them more pre-disposed to hospital admissions
than the general age matched population


Only those with risk factors could get it. So this is probably driven by the fact the more recent boosters were given to those more likely to be hospitalized, than the vaccine caused hospitalization.


But at this point, you are going to believe whatever you believe regardless of data.
Posted by BuzzSaw 12
The Dark Side Of The Moon
Member since Dec 2010
5236 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:14 pm to
Wow. It's almost as if the hand full of doctors and concerned citizens who can think for themselves that said the vaccines were dangerous and would destroy people's immune systems thereby leaving them even more vulnerable to covid (and other illnesses) were right.


Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39197 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:16 pm to
From your links...
quote:

Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease with the Omicron
variant is substantially lower than against the Delta variant, with rapid waning. However,
protection against hospitalisation remains high.
quote:

After 2 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine, vaccine effectiveness against the
Omicron variant starts at 45 to 50% then drops to almost no effect from 25 weeks after the
second dose. With 2 doses of Pfizer or Moderna effectiveness dropped from around 65 to 70%
down to around 15% by 25 weeks after the second dose. Two to 4 weeks after a booster dose
of either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine following an AstraZeneca or Pfizer primary course,
effectiveness ranges from around 60 to 75%, dropping to almost no effect from 20+ weeks after
the booster. Vaccine effectiveness estimates for the booster dose are very similar, irrespective
of the primary course received (3). V
quote:

Amongst
those aged 65 years and older, protection against hospitalisation (defined as requiring a stay of
COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report – week 35
9
2 or more days with severe respiratory disease) following Omicron infection was 82.3% after
one or more weeks after receiving an AstraZeneca booster compared to 90.9% among those
who received a Pfizer booster (6). Direct comparison of the AstraZeneca booster with the
mRNA vaccines is challenging using data from the UK, since those boosted with AstraZeneca
were more likely to be in risk groups and from previous studies in the UK, we know that VE is
lower in the clinical vulnerable populations
(12). Nonetheless, these data provide reassuring
evidence for the use of AstraZeneca as a booster for protection against severe disease with
COVID-19.


Conclusion: The OP is either a bald-faced lie or a sign of shocking ignorance. The similarity of hospitalization outcomes between recently, and not recently, boosted people is due to the fact that the boosted cohort is much more at risk than the non-boosted. That's why they are getting boosted.
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
4964 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:21 pm to
BigJim,
I guess the 75 and older class need to get boosters every 3 months then, right?

The data still shows that the other age groups had higher rates of hospitalizations. The quote you have pasted is a guess of why those numbers are higher. Trying to weasel word their way out of disturbing numbers that go against their narrative.

Also, the UK is stopping vax for children under 12, just as other European countries are starting to do. You do you though fascist vaxxer.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
17871 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

Conclusion: The OP is either a bald-faced lie or a sign of shocking ignorance. The similarity of hospitalization outcomes between recently, and not recently, boosted people is due to the fact that the boosted cohort is much more at risk than the non-boosted. That's why they are getting boosted.

The OP isn't lying or ignorant. But you seem to be ignorant of new science, or maybe you're lying? Because Covid changed science. What you just described re: the vaccines and the difference in outcomes based on certain health characteristics of the population is precisely the scam, I mean "science" that was played by the CDC, NIH, big pharma and big health to gin up all the Covid fear porn.

What's good for virus is good for the vaccine.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:26 pm to
It shows the rate of hospitalization if you have a vaccine less than 3 months ago, 3-6 months ago, and more than 6 months ago. Why doesn't it show the rate for people that never got vaxxed at all?

For all we know being vaxxed >6 months ago is better than no vax.
Posted by KLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
10290 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:30 pm to
Does it really matter any longer?

I mean you are either in 3 groups and nobody is changing.

1. Get every booster just in case
2. Got original vaccine but when they started pushing boosters was like nope and stopped.
3. Pureblood. Waited to see the outcome of mass vaccinating millions, with an unproven vaccine, before getting any doses. Now will not get any no matter the data.
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 1:31 pm
Posted by Tomatocantender
Boot
Member since Jun 2021
4741 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:32 pm to
1. Get every booster just in case
2. Got original vaccine but when they started pushing boosters was like nope and stopped.
3. Pureblood. Waited to see the outcome of mass vaccinating millions, with an unproven vaccine, before getting any doses. Now will not get any no matter the data.


4. Got 1st round of Pfizer or Moderna and got so sick that you said fvck and skipped the 3-week follow up.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118737 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

The OP is either a bald-faced lie


Please quote the lie in the OP.

Thanks.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68529 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

Figure 15 shows that the highest hospitalization rates were in those aged 75 years and over for
every category of time since last vaccination.


I guess im an antivaxxer. So Jim. Why did we have mandates for 5 years old and up? i mean its rt there in front of you. you posted it. So tell me why i needed to get vaccinated or vaccinate my children?



Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

Conclusion: The OP is either a bald-faced lie or a sign of shocking ignorance. The similarity of hospitalization outcomes between recently, and not recently, boosted people is due to the fact that the boosted cohort is much more at risk than the non-boosted. That's why they are getting boosted.


Agree. And is the data “hospitalization for any reason”?
Because those with high risk issues are being admitted all the time for other things. How much of this data is asymptomatic COVID cases?
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 1:39 pm
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
17871 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

Now will not get any no matter the data

The data doesn't matter if it's the same virus. Nobody that's not a hopeless pussy and is reasonably healthy and under the age of 75 fears this virus.
Posted by Hognutz
Member since Sep 2018
1394 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:45 pm to
The data for the jabbed has for the most part been a steady stream of negativity. How anyone remains pro-cv19 vax at this point is just astounding.
How much more sudden death do you need to see? I guess for some only their own sudden death will convince them there's a problem.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22375 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:54 pm to
At this point, almost EVERYONE has had some variation of Covid-19. The real question is what is the extent of natural immunity.

We also know that Omicron variant and above even though highly contagious is essentially a nothing burger to everyone even the elderly. What is the need to continue getting boosters that won’t stop infection for a virus that people aren’t being hospitalized any way??
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14491 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

So Jim. Why did we have mandates for 5 years old and up?


Was never supportive of mandates for children, particularly young children. The science isn't there, unless you have an immunocompromised kid (or parent in the house).

I am not a rabid vaxxer, I just don't like data to be misinterpreted to fit a preconceived notion.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:15 pm to
From the study, para preceding the graph:

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