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re: New PayPal Policy Lets Them Pull $2500 From Users Accounts If They Promote ‘Misinformation

Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:19 am to
Posted by Richard Grayson
Bestbank
Member since Sep 2022
2149 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:19 am to
Cool. Just deleted my PayPal account
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463764 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:19 am to
quote:

“Let the market do it’s thing” libertarian utopians reject reality for self-righteous naivety.

Again, I asked for alternatives to this concept. You haven't given any.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32619 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:20 am to
I’m no longer fully in favor of “private business, let them do what they want”. Leftists are taking that mantra and running with it and doing far worse than what we wanted to protect businesses for
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
178905 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:20 am to
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They cannot go and steal $2500 from your account, they can freeze a transaction. Two very different things.



Read the terms

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You are independently responsible for complying with all applicable laws in all of your actions related to your use of PayPal's services, regardless of the purpose of the use. In addition, you must adhere to the terms of this Acceptable Use Policy. Violation of this Acceptable Use Policy constitutes a violation of the PayPal User Agreement and may subject you to damages, including liquidated damages of $2,500.00 U.S. dollars per violation, which may be debited directly fr om your PayPal account(s) as outlined in the User Agreement (see “ Restricted Activities and Holds ” section of the PayPal User Agreement).


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5. Involve the sending, posting, or publication of any messages, content, or materials that, in PayPal’s sole discretion, (a) are harmful, obscene, harassing, or objectionable, (b) depict or appear to depict nudity, sexual or other intimate activities,?(c) depict or promote illegal dru criminal activity, cruelty,?or selfg use, (d)?depict or promote?violence,? harm?(e) depict,?promote, or incite hatred or discrimination of protected groups or of individuals or groups based on protected characteristics (e.g. race, religion, gender or gend er identity, sexual orientation, etc.) (f)?present a risk to user safety or wellbeing, (g) are fraudulent, promote misinformation, or are unlawful, (h) infringe the privacy, intellectual property rights, or other proprietary rights of any party, or (i)?are otherwise unfit for publication.



At their sold discretion they can remove $2500 from your paypal account for anything they deem inappropriate

That is not just freezing a transaction.

Go start another crappy babe thread, creep.
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 10:21 am
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
24455 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:21 am to
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Paypal is not a monopoly.


Very true. Paypal is merely a convenience, could easily live without it.

Wake me up when actual banks start doing this.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463764 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:25 am to
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Very true. Paypal is merely a convenience, could easily live without it.

With Zelle and crypto-backed tech, Paypal's days are numbered, anyway. It was novel because it lowered transaction costs, but now tech has made new delivery methods even less costly. Now it's a brand more than a real tech.

Credit card companies are facing the same issues, long-term.

This is why the market is so important. It creates the innovation that kill off legacy tech/institutions.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
178905 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:26 am to
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Paypal is not a monopoly.



No but they also own Venmo and Paypal is also accepted at more stores than the other alternatives such as cashap or Zelle.

They are easily the largest out of all of them.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
24455 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:26 am to
quote:

At their sold discretion they can remove $2500 from your paypal account for anything they deem inappropriate

That is not just freezing a transaction.

Go start another crappy babe thread, creep.


Damn you are getting bitchy lately. Calling people names is not very nice



It is a fricking paypal acount. Paypal is not a bank you hardheaded person. You are giving some 3rd party your money, that are not held to the same rules as banks.

If banks start doing this, then we can worry. If you are leaving thousands in paypal, you are just an idiot.

Edit - Threads with pretty women > your fear mongering threads you have been on a role with. Just saying.
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 10:31 am
Posted by AllDayEveryDay
Nawf Tejas
Member since Jun 2015
9084 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:27 am to
Well that gave me reason to lighten my internet security risk. Not that I used PayPal very often or carried much in it anyway.
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 10:28 am
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
178905 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:29 am to
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With Zelle



Zelle is owned by the 7 largest banks in the USA

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Zelle is a product of Early Warning Services, LLC, a fintech company owned by seven of America’s largest banks: Bank of America, Truist, Capital One, JPMorgan Chase, PNC Bank, U.S. Bank and Wells Fargo.


If you are against monopolies than you wouldn't promote Zelle
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 10:29 am
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76464 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:30 am to
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I mean private companies making private regulations doesn't change any libertarian stance at all.
Where your fault lies is in the idea that you think the two entities (government and private industry) in these situations are separate.

What is the actual difference between the a government/politicians using private industry to enact policies that they are unable to enact via governmental fiat?

ESG is a perfect example. These policies aren’t just appearing in a bubble.
quote:

What is "reality" and what is your response?
The reality is, there is no free market.

These massive tech oligarchies prevent the very concept through the use of governmental policy and the intertwining aspects of the two.
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Paypal is not a monopoly.
Paypal owns a market share of I think 50+% and it’s sub company, Venmo, owns something around 60%.

You are correct, they aren’t definitive monopolies, but the separate pieces of the whole in the tech company world enacts policies favoring each other.

Perfect examples are the “conservative” alternatives to Twitter (couldn’t remember any names ).

The tech industry generates a wall to keep the free market from taking place, and that is managed by actual monopolies (Amazon, Google).

And, again, there is no fixing this. It will simply advance.

This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 10:36 am
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76464 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:31 am to
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They are easily the largest out of all of them.
At least 50% of the market I believe, with Venmo being near 60% of its market.
Posted by foosball
Member since Nov 2021
2283 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:32 am to
Just deleted my account
Posted by Tiger Attorney
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
20021 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:33 am to
I just deleted my account. F$ck them.
Posted by Caraway Rye
Member since Oct 2021
5108 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:33 am to
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Zelle is owned by the 7 largest banks in the USA



Pretty soon they will be the only banks

Due to the government it is almost impossible to start a bank anymore.

Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
178905 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:35 am to
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If you are leaving thousands in paypal, you are just an idiot.




You don't have to leave it in there. They can freeze your account to hold the next bit of money you take in.

If they dont agree with your business they can freeze your money in the middle of doing business and have done so to many.


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If banks start doing this, then we can worry.


Perhaps you forgot when Chase froze and closed the accounts of what they deemed were right-wing activists

LINK

How have many of you not learned how real slippery slopes are in the past decade?
Posted by WylieTiger
Member since Nov 2006
14336 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:38 am to
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Venmo


Gone as well!
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
178905 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:39 am to
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The tech industry generates a wall to keep the free market from taking place, and that is managed by actual monopolies (Amazon, Google).




Anytime a conservative alternative to anything pops up Amazon, Google, and Microsoft, who control the majority of servers, refuse to rent them space on their servers.

They all fight tooth and nail to protect one another.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
16138 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:39 am to
Thanks for posting.
Posted by Roaad
White Privilege Broker
Member since Aug 2006
81572 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:39 am to
Might be time to short Paypal
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