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re: New Orleans native named top leader at ICE, deepening Louisiana's ties to the agency
Posted on 1/18/26 at 8:13 am to 4cubbies
Posted on 1/18/26 at 8:13 am to 4cubbies
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What would it take to humanize “illegals” for you?
Coming here legally. Like my wife did.
This post was edited on 1/18/26 at 8:14 am
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Posted on 1/18/26 at 2:06 pm to Sweep Da Leg
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Lmao!! No one believes you
Lots of people still post here from back then. I was Bobby Jindal’s biggest fan.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 2:08 pm to Narax
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Show me a law that says that attractive or rich, or connected people (except for Ambassadors), don't have to follow the law.
Application and enforcement of the laws is where privilege enters the chat.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 2:50 pm to VOR
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Many of them are honorable men doing their jobs, but there also are some poorly trained, ill-tempered rogues with orders to go in “heavy” at every encounter.
The ICE agents train for six days a week for eight weeks and receive additional training before and after they’re at FLETC.
Explain how you have determined the training is poor.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 3:18 pm to TigerAxeOK
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The based kind, or the modern woke kind that drapes the pulpit in a rainbow flag?
I don’t think there are many woke Catholic parishes in the New Orleans area
Posted on 1/18/26 at 4:08 pm to 4cubbies
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Application and enforcement of the laws is where privilege enters the chat.
So wait...
Human behavior is a constant struggle of the great/powerful to oppress the less powerful...
And Laws (the only thing that actually equalizes and protects independent of favoritism) are constantly strained by those natural Darwinist forces...
I'm pretty sure you just made an argument that laws are the hero in this situation.
Posted on 1/19/26 at 8:57 am to Narax
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So wait... Human behavior is a constant struggle of the great/powerful to oppress the less powerful...
Humans are self-interested and greedy. We tend to act accordingly.
quote:Laws are words on paper. They are nothing without the flawed humans who interpret and enforce them.
And Laws (the only thing that actually equalizes and protects independent of favoritism) are constantly strained by those natural Darwinist forces...
Laws are written by people with interests, interpreted by people with incentives, enforced by people with discretion, and funded by people with priorities. Privileged and bias drive the car every step of the way.
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I'm pretty sure you just made an argument that laws are the hero in this situation.
Laws are tools of the powerful.
Posted on 1/19/26 at 9:32 am to 4cubbies
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Humans are self-interested and greedy. We tend to act accordingly
True, but the good news is that most of us are only greedy enough to ensure our own survival.
Study on Greed
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Laws are written by people with interests, interpreted by people with incentives, enforced by people with discretion, and funded by people with priorities. Privileged and bias drive the car every step of the way.
For the bulk of the mundane laws we face every day, I agree with this. There are however, a handful of laws that are universal just for society to be able to interact.
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Laws are tools of the powerful.
Or the many....
This post was edited on 1/19/26 at 9:34 am
Posted on 1/19/26 at 10:29 am to bee Rye
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don’t think there are many woke Catholic parishes in the New Orleans area
I don’t know if I’d trust any Jesuit-Loyola attorney to carry out ICE’s mission effectively
Posted on 1/19/26 at 12:36 pm to UtahCajun
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True, but the good news is that most of us are only greedy enough to ensure our own survival. Study on Greed
That study didn’t address survival. Interesting concept, though. Kinda interested in reading some of the references.
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For the bulk of the mundane laws we face every day, I agree with this. There are however, a handful of laws that are universal just for society to be able to interact.
Laws exist to ensure some sort of negative consequence/punishment for certain behaviors. Culture shapes social behaviors much more than laws do, although culture can influence laws.
For example, people don’t stop at red lights at 3 a.m. because a cop might be there. We do it because rule-following has been normalized.
Posted on 1/19/26 at 12:39 pm to UtahCajun
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The fuax intellectuals
perfect
Posted on 1/19/26 at 12:40 pm to 4cubbies
Look these folks just don’t like rules ok.
They are still in 1st grade. Rules hurt.
They are still in 1st grade. Rules hurt.
Posted on 1/19/26 at 12:53 pm to 4cubbies
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Laws exist to ensure some sort of negative consequence/punishment for certain behaviors. Culture shapes social behaviors much more than laws do, although culture can influence laws.
For example, people don’t stop at red lights at 3 a.m. because a cop might be there. We do it because rule-following has been normalized
I can agree with this.
Posted on 1/19/26 at 1:04 pm to 4cubbies
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For example, people don’t stop at red lights at 3 a.m. because a cop might be there.
Speak for yourself. Back in my younger days, I got ticketed for doing just that.
Posted on 1/19/26 at 1:11 pm to 4cubbies
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Laws are written by people with interests, interpreted by people with incentives, enforced by people with discretion, and funded by people with priorities. Privileged and bias drive the car every step of the way.
Can you tell us the privilege and bias on:
Laws against murder
Laws against rape
Laws against theft
Who are those written by and who are they targeting, specifically?
Posted on 1/19/26 at 1:16 pm to chalmetteowl
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don’t know if I’d trust any Jesuit-Loyola attorney to carry out ICE’s mission effectively
100%
Posted on 1/19/26 at 1:50 pm to BugAC
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Can you tell us the privilege and bias on:
Laws against murder
Laws against rape
Laws against theft
Who are those written by and who are they targeting, specifically?
Again, laws are just words on paper. They are meaningless without interpretation, enforcement, etc.
Privilege impacts those factors.
Posted on 1/19/26 at 8:02 pm to 4cubbies
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Humans are self-interested and greedy. We tend to act accordingly.
Yes, without law and moral law humans act in self interest.
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Laws are words on paper. They are nothing without the flawed humans who interpret and enforce them.
Thats quite untrue. Laws and ideas have power, the power to influence the heart and mind.
You can throw out all humans history as words on paper. Do you think the Bible is just words on paper?
The 10 commandments are dependent on humans to enforce?
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Laws are written by people with interests, interpreted by people with incentives, enforced by people with discretion, and funded by people with priorities. Privileged and bias drive the car every step of the way.
Yes, in America laws have been written for the common good, not all, but most.
They are interpreted by people who believe they are following the intent in the majority of cases.
They are enforced by people who are public servants, most upright, some not.
They are funded via the taxpayer, who have no less right to priorities in their vote than those who do not pay taxes.
You are so blind on what you call privilege, you are so biased that you cannot see the world for what it is.
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Laws are tools of the powerful.
Laws are the protection of those who do not have power, laws are a restraint on pure power.
What do you think of the Laws of God?
With one side of your mouth you say you are Catholic, with the other side you declare Laws as only paper that needs humans to uphold it.
Do you or do you not think the Laws of God are above criticism? Do you or do you not think God is above criticism.
Be brave and say what you believe.
Posted on 1/20/26 at 4:24 pm to Narax
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Thats quite untrue. Laws and ideas have power, the power to influence the heart and mind.
You can throw out all humans history as words on paper. Do you think the Bible is just words on paper?
The 10 commandments are dependent on humans to enforce?
Sure, laws can influence. They don't act independently of human mediation, though.
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You can throw out all humans history as words on paper. Do you think the Bible is just words on paper?
The 10 commandments are dependent on humans to enforce?
The Bible is not “just words on paper,” but neither does it act on its own. It persuades, forms conscience, and binds communities through human belief, interpretation, and practice.
The 10 Commandments support my point:
They generally are not self-enforced in real time.
They require interpretation (what counts as killing? theft? coveting?).
They have produced radically different moral and legal regimes across time and cultures.
They bind because communities internalize them, not because the tablets compel obedience.
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You are so blind on what you call privilege, you are so biased that you cannot see the world for what it is.
Did you happen to see this thread yesterday?
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With one side of your mouth you say you are Catholic, with the other side you declare Laws as only paper that needs humans to uphold it.
Do you or do you not think the Laws of God are above criticism? Do you or do you not think God is above criticism.
Humans are not God. Our understanding of God is always partial, situated, and fallible. Questioning our claims about God is not criticizing God.
I don't know what you mean about the Laws of God? The ten commandments? Those aren't all codified by US laws.
Human laws can be unjust. Human enforcement, interpretation, and application of those same laws can also be unjust. That doesn't contradict theology.
This post was edited on 1/20/26 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 1/20/26 at 5:03 pm to 4cubbies
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The Bible is not “just words on paper,” but neither does it act on its own. It persuades, forms conscience, and binds communities through human belief, interpretation, and practice.
Is the Bible the word of the God, a being who has created the universe with his words.
The Book of John Chapter 1.
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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Hebrews 4:12
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For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
Do you believe that?
That the word of God is not dependent on men acting on it, or much less thinking or even hearing it?
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The 10 Commandments support my point:
They generally are not self-enforced in real time.
Do you not think God will enforce them absent any human action?
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They require interpretation (what counts as killing? theft? coveting?).
Do you not think God has something very specific in mind?
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They bind because communities internalize them, not because the tablets compel obedience.
Do you not believe that we must be obedient to God? That we owe him our obedience?
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Humans are not God. Our understanding of God is always partial, situated, and fallible. Questioning our claims about God is not criticizing God.
Do you question the Bible's statements about God?
Do you question if he is able to communicate clearly though his word when he wants?
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I don't know what you mean about the Laws of God? The ten commandments?
Yes, perfect example, do you question them, do you acknowledge God's right to demand our obedience to them.
If He meant any killing of anything, is that criticizable?
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