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re: New Gillette commerical invokes #MeToo, blames men for everything.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:25 pm to brian_wilson
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:25 pm to brian_wilson
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Gillette is part of P&G. P&G does massive amount of market research. They get to the level of discussing different shades of colors on their packaging. I can promise you they tested the frick out of it.
tested it for virtue signaling points? yes
it's legit terrible as an ad for anything. tell me exactly what the message of that commercial was so that i can know specifically how to respond
you can't
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:26 pm to tiggerthetooth
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American women are out of control. I may turn to other countries for a wife. Sad part is their stupid dogmatism is getting spread through social media
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American white women would be more accurate.
Called it...
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Whatever it is it's divisive. Basically just trying to piss men off which in turn makes them pissed off at the world and they'll probably blame women for it which is prevalent on this site at least (seriously, it is) so basically just a big push to get people riled up- yippee GO GILLETTE!
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:26 pm to LordSaintly
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I'm sorry, but is there really anything wrong with boys who horseplay?
no, and that's by far the thing about that commercial that annoyed me
i talk about feminization of society and that's a perfect example
the assumption is that it's no big deal and boys just will do something else but the data does not agree
the really sick and twisted angle is how feminists use this decrease in achievement status as an example of how patriarchy helps men
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:28 pm to brian_wilson
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I got a different message than the OP. yes, it did say that boys will boys is not acceptable but it ends with a positive message - men can do better.
I would have to watch the video again. And I don't want to give them the gratification click. But I think their message is that WHITE men can do better. I don't see a whole lot of POC representation on the side they are demonizing. I could be wrong though.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:31 pm to Cs
Of course the leftist will tell you we are imagining manhood being under attack at every turn...
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:33 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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However, they, like any company, make big mis-steps from time to time. In fact, their men's shaving business has made more than it's fair share in recent years, mostly around their pricing and economic models. They've actually somewhat run Gillette into the ground since they bought it 13 years ago; there isn't a chance in hell that their men's shaving business is worth anywhere close to $57B + risk of capital after 13 years.
Yeah gillette has come under intense price pressure from a variety of source. They have a minimally differentiated offering, and that has caused them a lot of problems.
This doesn't mean they don't market test their advertising though. It just means they got caught with their pants down with regards to the competition.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's legit terrible as an ad for anything. tell me exactly what the message of that commercial was so that i can know specifically how to respond
As an ad it is terrible. Its almost a madlib level. "Metoo" + .....Mens razors. Very forced
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:42 pm to Vestigial Morgan
yeah like i said that if you think that's an effective ad, your brain is already gone
they just picked too many targets
if they had just done a #MeToo one based around improper sexual behavior? sure. fine. good
but they didn't. they just tried to lump a bunch of random shite in there, some of which isn't even bad (2 kids roughousing). i have no idea what, specifically, i am supposed to do
ultimately that kind of vague, subjective standard is the tool of the SJW/Big Left, but ads aim to hit the exact opposite as that standard (simple, direct, focus on the product)
they just picked too many targets
if they had just done a #MeToo one based around improper sexual behavior? sure. fine. good
but they didn't. they just tried to lump a bunch of random shite in there, some of which isn't even bad (2 kids roughousing). i have no idea what, specifically, i am supposed to do
ultimately that kind of vague, subjective standard is the tool of the SJW/Big Left, but ads aim to hit the exact opposite as that standard (simple, direct, focus on the product)
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:44 pm to brian_wilson
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Yeah gillette has come under intense price pressure from a variety of source. They have a minimally differentiated offering, and that has caused them a lot of problems.
I would actually argue they have a fairly differentiated offering. I think their razors are straight up much, much better than DSC, Harry's, and the like. I switched off them and then switched back onto them several times.
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This doesn't mean they don't market test their advertising though.
I am sure they test their advertising, but scoping, differentiating, and determining cannibalization for marketing campaigns are inexact sciences, to say the least. I think they mis-fired absolutely bigly on this one, and their recent track record isn't all that good, either.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:47 pm to fillmoregandt
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The only black guys in the videos were the ones correcting the evil white guys too
Noticed that too.
ETA: I switched to Harry’s a year ago. Now I get why Gillette sells vibrating handles....
Flamingo jumping on that marketing...

This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:00 pm to Cs
This is the most condescending bullshite I've ever seen. Obviously, the boss randomly putting his hand on that girl's shoulder was awkward as all get at, but there was so much wrong with this video, it's hard to know where to start.
I think the reason this stuff happens is that women are writing it. Women don't flirt with men the same way that men flirt with women. Girls don't fight other girls the same way that boys fight with other boys. The same is true for teasing. Women see boy behavior and analyze it through their girl filter without realizing that maybe, just maybe, there is a different motivation, different end-game, and different set of expectations for boys.
When girls fight, they DO NOT become friends. The opposite is typically true for boys. Boys challenge one-another and scrap FOR FUN! Fighting is how boys earn respect from one-another. Fighting is simply the retaliation of last resort for girls.
Men pick-on one-another often for camaraderie. It's a joke designed to see if another boy has the humility to not take it personally and the creativity and humor to come up with a comeback. It's not meant to insult or destroy, but rather to bond. Women insult a person directly ONLY to destroy. Men only do so rarely.
As for the dude who saw the hot girl and wanted to try and spark a conversation with her getting scolded for it, that's f&%king stupid. I literally watched a friend of mine pull that exact move (see a random girl walk by, hurry up to catch up with her, spark a conversation by introducing himself, commence flirting, ect.) Friday night and got the girl's number in no time. Women like guys who are confident, bold, and can spit game. Not every girl will react positively to that, but it's on the girl to shut that behavior down. Why? Because a lot of girls LOVE it. The only way to find the girls that love it is to try it on the ones you see that seem worth the high rate of rejection to try. Even the most desirable guys only succeed in getting a girl's number at the first meeting less than 10% of the time. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Women RARELY initiate, so guys MUST spark conversations with random strangers or they will never meet anyone. If guys don't initiate, women can't meet those guys either. Scolding this behavior is bad for both sexes.
I could rant on the idiocy in this ADVERTISEMENT FOR MEN'S SHAVING PRODUCTS all day long, but if I had been a user of their product, I would literally never buy it again. This applies to literally any consumer product with readily available alternatives: if you try to virtue signal and shame me for ANY reason, especially contrived political causes, I WILL NEVER BUY YOUR PRODUCT AGAIN!!!! If you insert politics where it doesn't belong NO MATTER WHAT YOUR POLITICAL STANCE, I will never buy your product again!
STOP INSERTING POLITICS, especially stupid, condescending, hateful rhetoric as seen in this ad, INTO EVERYTHING!!!!
I think the reason this stuff happens is that women are writing it. Women don't flirt with men the same way that men flirt with women. Girls don't fight other girls the same way that boys fight with other boys. The same is true for teasing. Women see boy behavior and analyze it through their girl filter without realizing that maybe, just maybe, there is a different motivation, different end-game, and different set of expectations for boys.
When girls fight, they DO NOT become friends. The opposite is typically true for boys. Boys challenge one-another and scrap FOR FUN! Fighting is how boys earn respect from one-another. Fighting is simply the retaliation of last resort for girls.
Men pick-on one-another often for camaraderie. It's a joke designed to see if another boy has the humility to not take it personally and the creativity and humor to come up with a comeback. It's not meant to insult or destroy, but rather to bond. Women insult a person directly ONLY to destroy. Men only do so rarely.
As for the dude who saw the hot girl and wanted to try and spark a conversation with her getting scolded for it, that's f&%king stupid. I literally watched a friend of mine pull that exact move (see a random girl walk by, hurry up to catch up with her, spark a conversation by introducing himself, commence flirting, ect.) Friday night and got the girl's number in no time. Women like guys who are confident, bold, and can spit game. Not every girl will react positively to that, but it's on the girl to shut that behavior down. Why? Because a lot of girls LOVE it. The only way to find the girls that love it is to try it on the ones you see that seem worth the high rate of rejection to try. Even the most desirable guys only succeed in getting a girl's number at the first meeting less than 10% of the time. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Women RARELY initiate, so guys MUST spark conversations with random strangers or they will never meet anyone. If guys don't initiate, women can't meet those guys either. Scolding this behavior is bad for both sexes.
I could rant on the idiocy in this ADVERTISEMENT FOR MEN'S SHAVING PRODUCTS all day long, but if I had been a user of their product, I would literally never buy it again. This applies to literally any consumer product with readily available alternatives: if you try to virtue signal and shame me for ANY reason, especially contrived political causes, I WILL NEVER BUY YOUR PRODUCT AGAIN!!!! If you insert politics where it doesn't belong NO MATTER WHAT YOUR POLITICAL STANCE, I will never buy your product again!
STOP INSERTING POLITICS, especially stupid, condescending, hateful rhetoric as seen in this ad, INTO EVERYTHING!!!!
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:02 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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I would actually argue they have a fairly differentiated offering. I think their razors are straight up much, much better than DSC, Harry's, and the like. I switched off them and then switched back onto them several times.
Differentiating on quality is tough, especially when they differentiated on better technology for a long period of time.
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I am sure they test their advertising, but scoping, differentiating, and determining cannibalization for marketing campaigns are inexact sciences, to say the least. I think they mis-fired absolutely bigly on this one, and their recent track record isn't all that good, either.
I don't disagree. Maybe they executed their market testing incorrectly or ignored the results, but it was done. This move was a deliberate motion by them. I feel confident the brand manager is aware of the risks / payback, and probably had to report on the campaign to sr mgmt.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:02 pm to Cs
/pol/ is all over this...


This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:12 pm to piggilicious
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Called it...
No one is blaming women for anything except for their constant game of blaming men for everything.
There's no "mens march", theres no male movements out there that can even compare to the back patting self-immolating female movements.
Present day feminism blames men for everything and that's a fact.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:16 pm to brian_wilson
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Gillette is part of P&G. P&G does massive amount of market research. They get to the level of discussing different shades of colors on their packaging. I can promise you they tested the frick out of it.
Who actually buys more razor blades, women (for themselves and their boyfriends/husbands) or men?
I bet Gillette has risked pissing off men in order to appeal to women to buy more of their products.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:19 pm to Cs
I think Gillette and all these firms blaming men for all of society's evils have rocks in their heads.
By attributing all wrongdoing to men, that automatically creates a victim class en masse of one of the two scientifically and traditionally recognised genders. That's the most anti-feminist thing possible.
By attributing all wrongdoing to men, that automatically creates a victim class en masse of one of the two scientifically and traditionally recognised genders. That's the most anti-feminist thing possible.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:19 pm to Cs
Pretty soon, boners will be allowed by appointment only.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:20 pm to tarzana
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By attributing all wrongdoing to men, that automatically creates a victim class en masse of one of the two scientifically and traditionally recognised genders. That's the most anti-feminist thing possible.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:20 pm to brian_wilson
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I would actually argue they have a fairly differentiated offering. I think their razors are straight up much, much better than DSC, Harry's, and the like. I switched off them and then switched back onto them several times.
Differentiating on quality is tough, especially when they differentiated on better technology for a long period of time.
I would argue they still are differentiated on quality - it's their bread and butter. And I don't think most customers are going to discern between quality and technology as product attributes in men's shaving. They're effectively the same thing in this market.
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I don't disagree. Maybe they executed their market testing incorrectly or ignored the results, but it was done. This move was a deliberate motion by them.
Definitely was deliberate. No doubt about that. A company like P&G isn't going to do this without having one million meetings about strategy and execution, stress testing the hell out of their models, a dozen ad bid solicitations, etc., etc.
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I feel confident the brand manager is aware of the risks / payback, and probably had to report on the campaign to sr mgmt.
Eh, I think they're a bit ensconced in the bubble, so whether they were fully aware...I don't think they were. There's also ego, social pressure, trying to ride a trend. There are far too many business managers who make risky decisions like this on the basis of, "Well, I was watching my daughter's soccer practice the other day, and it struck me..." I am sure someone's neck is on the line, though.
The execution of the ad was flagrantly bad, at a minimum. Again, compare and contrast that with what Nike did with Kaepernick.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 3:23 pm
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