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re: Native American flips the bird to mt. Rushmore

Posted on 2/7/24 at 4:23 pm to
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 4:23 pm to
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They were unwilling to work with us.

Holy revisionist history batman...
Posted by 3BlockUber
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 4:23 pm to
Native Americans claiming it’s their land really doesn’t bother me. Yes they got screwed, but they got conquered. They were not a nation with borders, they were nomadic.

The worst thing for them to do is live on reservations and continue to pass down a legacy of being poor.
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 4:25 pm to
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crewed, but they got conquered. They were not a nation with borders, they were nomadic.

That's not true at all. Some tribes were nomadic but not all. There are treaties between nations to support borders, land trades, etc. It's part of why the governor of Oklahoma is so pissed at the tribes there. The treaties overrule his system authority.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 4:26 pm to
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Around 8000 Comanches felt they needed all of west Texas.

If it wasn't for the commanches Texas would still be mexico...
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 4:27 pm to
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The worst thing for them to do is live on reservations and continue to pass down a legacy of being poor.



Just like the ghetto.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 4:30 pm to
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The worst thing for them to do is live on reservations and continue to pass down a legacy of being poor.


Which didn't happen to the 5 Civilized Tribes long term. They have lands, not reservations like you see on Longmire.

The Tribes that ended up on those type reservations were generally Tribes that fought, not the ones that relocated.

Again, they fricked around and found out. They decided not to move and they lost and ended up on shithole reservations.
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Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 4:38 pm to
All you have to do is go to western Oklahoma to the non-5 Civilized Tribes and the Tribes are in a whole different situation. My wife's friend is from some obscure Tribe in western Oklahoma and the tribe is poor af.

Like the Kiowa reservation in Oklahoma. Not even comparable to what the Chickasaws have going on.
Posted by m2pro
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 4:47 pm to
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Holy revisionist history batman...




there are no reliable histories told to us. how do you know what i'm saying is wrong?

you don't. you select what you want to believe based on who you are TOLD is credible. we tried working with them, but it did not take for obvious reasons. they were too ready to defend their ways. and who could blame them? there are STILL tribes like this across the globe in various places, and they're still freer than we'll ever really know in terms of their day to day life.

but as we all know, freedom is literally just how strong you are. the stronger you are the more you can resist being told you can't do something you want.

they didn't want to be forced into a new reality, and that's reasonable. but it was inevitable.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 4:56 pm to
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If not for the men like the people on that Monument, these folks would be living in teepees.


Incorrect. They'd have been slaughtered by industrialized Spaniards from Mexico and the colonizing French from Canada.

I am in no way excusing the way American settlers treated the skins. But, it could have been MUCH worse.
Posted by David_DJS
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 4:58 pm to
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The worst thing for them to do is live on reservations and continue to pass down a legacy of being poor.

The worst thing for them is to have a federal department with a better than $2B budget and nearly 5K employees whose remit is to make life good for Indians. The BIA has been doing its work for 200 years and its results are consistent with every f'n thing the federal government does.

That said, you are 100% right about how toxic living on reservations is.
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 5:02 pm to
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I am in no way excusing the way American settlers treated the skins.


For the most part the US Army pushed the indians shite in due to how they treated the settlers.

Farmer Brown wasn't going out and burning Coyote Vagina's village to the ground after they scalped his sons and stole his daughters.
Posted by bird35
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 5:15 pm to
First wheel they saw was driven by a white man.
Posted by JumpingTheShark
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 5:41 pm to
Neat, right of conquest bitch. Want it back? Take it.
Posted by SeeeeK
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 5:44 pm to
buwahahaha frick them dead beats

they cried when Americans threw trash out their windows, pussies
Posted by Loserman
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 5:53 pm to
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Does this mean I should be hating the Romans for what they did to my people during the Gallic Wars? Damn Italians!

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None of that matters because they are all white groups
Posted by pochejp
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 5:54 pm to
Are they wearing white man's clothing? Cultural appropriation at its finest.

frick them
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 5:57 pm to
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Are they wearing white man's clothing? Cultural appropriation at its finest.



That's a Chief Airing Balls Out shirt.

Not an Air Jordan.
Posted by Jose Smith
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 5:57 pm to
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 6:04 pm to
There is nothing more depressing than driving through Indian country out west. Other than a few casinos it’s just hundreds of miles of dirt poor squalor. No innovation, no economic development, just poverty. The tribe of Indians that controls part of the Grand Canyon could be making money hand over fist but its a third rate operation at best.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 6:06 pm to
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But, it could have been MUCH worse.


The French since the 16th century treated Indians better than any Euro nation. This is just a stone cold fact that I don't believe can be refuted by known history. I think there is more French DNA in the NA's than any other country up to the 19th century JMO. The Spanish were stone cold blooded mercs. The SS of the new world No argument there. And as I said earlier it would have all ended generally as it did whomever dominated North America.
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