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Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:02 pm to monsterballads
Yes, There Were Black Confederates --
from TheRoot.com, a web site edited by Afrocentrist Henry Louis Gates:
from TheRoot.com, a web site edited by Afrocentrist Henry Louis Gates:
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A few thousand blacks did indeed fight for the Confederacy. Significantly, African-American scholars from Ervin Jordan and Joseph Reidy to Juliet Walker and Henry Louis Gates Jr., editor-in-chief of The Root, have stood outside this impasse, acknowledging that a few blacks, slave and free, supported the Confederacy.
How many supported it? No one knows precisely. But by drawing on these scholars and focusing on sources written or published during the war, I estimate that between 3,000 and 6,000 served as Confederate soldiers. Another 100,000 or so blacks, mostly slaves, supported the Confederacy as laborers, servants and teamsters. They built roads, batteries and fortifications; manned munitions factories—essentially did the Confederacy’s dirty work.
We know that blacks made up more than half the toilers at Richmond’s Tredegar Iron Works and more than 75 percent of the workforce at Selma, Ala.’s naval ordnance plant
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they explode the myth that a slave wouldn’t fight on behalf of masters. Scholars recognize that throughout history, slave societies have armed slaves, at times with the promise of freedom. They also acknowledge that a small number of African Americans were slave owners (about 3,700, according to Loren Schweninger).
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African Americans were the first to publicize the presence of black Confederates. Frederick Douglass bemoaned the Confederate victory of First Manassas in July 1861 by noting in the August 1861 issue of his newspaper, Douglass’ Monthly, that “among rebels were black troops, no doubt pressed into service by their tyrant masters.”
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Douglass repeatedly drew attention to black Confederates in order to press his cause. “It is now pretty well established that there are at the present moment many colored men in the Confederate army doing duty not only as cooks, servants and laborers, but as real soldiers, having muskets on their shoulders, and bullets in their pockets,” he wrote in July 1861.
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What were Douglass’ sources in identifying black Confederates? One came from a Virginia fugitive who escaped to Boston shortly before the Battle of First Manassas in Virginia that summer. He saw “one regiment of 700 black men from Georgia, 1000 [men] from South Carolina, and about 1000 [men with him from] Virginia, destined for Manassas when he ran away.”
For historians these are shocking figures. But another eyewitness also observed three regiments of blacks fighting for the Confederacy at Manassas. William Henry Johnson, a free black from Connecticut, ignored the Lincoln administration’s refusal to enlist black troops and fought as an independent soldier with the 8th Connecticut Volunteer Infantry. He also wrote for the Pine and Palm, a black paper, and blamed the Union loss at Manassas partly on black Confederates: “We were defeated, routed and driven from the field. … It was not alone the white man’s victory, for it was won by slaves. Yes, the Confederates had three regiments of blacks in the field, and they maneuvered like veterans, and beat the Union men back. This is not guessing, but it is a fact.”
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:06 pm to Ramblin Wreck
most of the louisiana fighting tigers were irish conscripts right off the boat.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:06 pm to Kafka
Not gonna quote that wall of text...
But if there were thousands of black soldiers who fought for the confederacy it shows you what utter human garbage the leaders of the south were.
They wanted blacks to fight but not get an education or own property or vote.
But if there were thousands of black soldiers who fought for the confederacy it shows you what utter human garbage the leaders of the south were.
They wanted blacks to fight but not get an education or own property or vote.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:08 pm to Ramblin Wreck
The term "galvanized yankee" referred to Confederate soldiers who were taken as prisoners of war, but took a loyal oath to the United States and joined the U.S. Army. They then served out west in campaigns against the Indians.
This post was edited on 6/10/17 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:12 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Louisiana troops attacked and captured Cemetery Hill at Gettysburg. They were only one unsupported brigade and a Yankee counterattack pushed them back.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:13 pm to TheFonz
quote:This "GY" has popped up as a character in some Rawhide and Wagon Train reruns I've watched recently
The term "galvanized yankee" referred to Confedaret soldiers who were taken as prisoners of war, but took a loyal oath to the United States and joined the U.S. Army. They then served out west in campaigns against the Indians.
During the war and immediately afterward GYs, even if they'd been CSA generals, could not be higher in rank than Sgt. I don't know if this ever changed.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:16 pm to Ramblin Wreck
The Confederate Navy's CSS Shenandoah circumnavigated the world.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:16 pm to Ramblin Wreck
US Grant was the largest baby born in His home state, and Abraham Lincoln actually played the tuba in his college band.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:17 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Democrats were the ones that wanted the slaves.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:24 pm to Ramblin Wreck
I'm reading "the terrible swift sword" currently. Great book
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:27 pm to bamarep
Gen K Robinson of the south was the biological son of Lt K Mulkey of Monroe, La
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:49 pm to Jim Rockford
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The Confederate Navy's CSS Shenandoah circumnavigated the world.
The CSS Alabama was a steam powered ship built in England and never docked in a CSA port. It sank Union ships all over the world with voyages off the coast of Brazil, South Africa, and in the Indian Ocean before eventually being sunk off the coast of France. Most of its crew were hired sailors from England.
A popular South African folk song is about the ship when it sailed to South Africa.
Daar Kom Die Alibama
This post was edited on 6/10/17 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:49 pm to Jim Rockford
The Captain of the Shenandoah was Capt. James Waddell. The Shenandoah was a raider who fought all over the world and because they were far away at sea, they never learned of the South's surrender until after the war was over.
They had kept fighting, and thus were branded as pirates and had to sail from the North Pacific down around South America to eventual safety in Liverpool, England. They gave up their ship there.
This sailing fete was so admired that in 1964 the US Navy commissioned a destroyer and named it the USS Waddell.
They had kept fighting, and thus were branded as pirates and had to sail from the North Pacific down around South America to eventual safety in Liverpool, England. They gave up their ship there.
This sailing fete was so admired that in 1964 the US Navy commissioned a destroyer and named it the USS Waddell.
This post was edited on 6/10/17 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:53 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Wreck - are you sure about Lincoln's personal opinion? I have read that some remarks show he had no quarrel with slavery.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:54 pm to Ramblin Wreck
The Union Pacific Railroad was initially funded with profits from stealing and smuggling cotton out of the south.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:58 pm to anc
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Also more soldiers died of diarrhea than died in battle.
No shite?
This post was edited on 6/10/17 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 6/10/17 at 11:06 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Russia had an alliance with the Union and played an instrumental role in its victory.
How The Russian Navy Saved The Union In The Civil War
How The Russian Navy Saved The Union In The Civil War
Posted on 6/10/17 at 11:08 pm to Gaspergou202
Why would anyone down vote historic facts?
I gave little known facts about civil war. All easily verifiable!
Did I rub someone's bias the wrong way?
I gave little known facts about civil war. All easily verifiable!
Did I rub someone's bias the wrong way?
Posted on 6/10/17 at 11:09 pm to Porky
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Russia had an alliance with the Union and played an instrumental role in its victory.
Oh snap, there goes Russia interfering again.
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