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re: Name a little known fact about the Civil War
Posted on 6/11/17 at 4:59 pm to Gaspergou202
Posted on 6/11/17 at 4:59 pm to Gaspergou202
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Between 1858 and 1860, New York launched nearly 100 slave ships. And in keeping with the latest maritime technology, many of these vessels were New York–built steamers that could handle much larger “cargoes” than the earlier sailing vessels. It was all about business; the more Africans that could be crammed aboard, the greater the profit.
Are you sure?
That would violate the Slave Trade Act of 1794.
"Section 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That no citizen or citizens of the United States, or foreigner, or any other person coming into, or residing within the same, shall, for himself or any other person whatsoever, either as master, factor or owner, build, fit, equip, load or otherwise prepare any ship or vessel, within any port or place of said United States, nor shall cause any ship or vessel to sail from any port or place within same, for the purpose of carrying on any trade or traffic in slaves, to any foreign country; or for the purpose of procuring, from any foreign kingdom, place or country, the inhabitants of such kingdom, place or country, to be transported to any foreign country, port, or place whatever, to be sold or disposed of, as slaves: And if any ship or vessel shall be so fitted out, as aforesaid, for the said purposes, or shall be caused to sail, so as aforesaid, every ship or vessel, her tackle, furniture, apparel and other appurtenances, shall be forfeited to the United States; and shall be liable to be seized, prosecuted and condemned, in any of the circuit courts or district court for the district where said ship or vessel may be found and seized."[1]
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 5:03 pm to Ramblin Wreck
The emancipation proclaimation only freed slaves in revolting states.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 5:03 pm to JazzyJeff
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The war was NOT initiated to end slavery. Lincoln wanted the southern states to pay a 40% tariff on its exports to the Union.
The Constitution explicitly forbids taxes on the exports of any state.
"No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State."
ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 5
This post was edited on 6/11/17 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 6/11/17 at 5:04 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Not sure if well known, but Port Authur in LA was a key fort till Vicksburg fell.
Driving the highway next to it, I can't imagine how amazingly hard it would bee to attack based on the terrain back in 1860.
Always crosses my mind when I pass it
Driving the highway next to it, I can't imagine how amazingly hard it would bee to attack based on the terrain back in 1860.
Always crosses my mind when I pass it
Posted on 6/11/17 at 5:28 pm to Ramblin Wreck
After months of intentional Union artillery bombardment on civilians in Charleston, Confederate General Jones informed the Union general that 50 POWs were being moved into the city in an attempt to end the terrorizing of women, children, & other non-combatants.
In response, the Union General, supported by the Union High Command, used 500-600 Confederate POWs as human shields to "protect" the walls of his artillery batteries, despite receiving a letter from the Union POWs stating they were being well cared for & unexposed to unnecessary fire.
The Union General's war crime was futile, though, as Confederate artillery carefully aimed their barrages and completely avoided hitting any of their own POWs.
In response, the Union General, supported by the Union High Command, used 500-600 Confederate POWs as human shields to "protect" the walls of his artillery batteries, despite receiving a letter from the Union POWs stating they were being well cared for & unexposed to unnecessary fire.
The Union General's war crime was futile, though, as Confederate artillery carefully aimed their barrages and completely avoided hitting any of their own POWs.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 5:30 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Union POWs were better cared for & received more food than Confederate POWs under Union control, despite the South having fewer resources.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 5:42 pm to chickenpotpie
13,000 Union POW's died at Andersonville in less than a year.
The camp commander Wirz was the only war criminal who was hanged.
The camp commander Wirz was the only war criminal who was hanged.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 5:47 pm to Wild Thang
?????
Port Hudson, right?
Port Hudson, right?
Posted on 6/11/17 at 6:20 pm to monceaux
The only reason the Morrill tariff even passed through Congress is because the states that opposed it had left the Union.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 7:10 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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quote: Between 1858 and 1860, New York launched nearly 100 slave ships. And in keeping with the latest maritime technology, many of these vessels were New York–built steamers that could handle much larger “cargoes” than the earlier sailing vessels. It was all about business; the more Africans that could be crammed aboard, the greater the profit. Are you sure? That would violate the Slave Trade Act of 1794.
I didn't write the article nor did I do a large amount of independent research.
But yes I'm sure. Googled New York slave Trade 1850 and found 4 scholarly articles writing how New York was building, financing, and flagging slave ships. Great Britain futility was trying to get US to stop this.
Why the surprise that New York financiers were not profiting from slavery and the trade. We're not wealthy American families making money violating prohibition etc.? Note, most important markets for slave importation was Cuba and Brazil. And, in 1860, most Americans were not abolitionist. Sad, but true.
The best way to prevent historical surprises about slavery is not to look back to understand it but to look forward from the past. Less than 300 years ago 99% of humanity saw slavery as normal. Slowly people began to try to eleminate it. Some still practice it today.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 7:21 pm to monsterballads
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here we go again... that is complete fiction lost cause bullshite
wrong. Lincoln was losing and feeling pressure. Needed an untapped source of men. Drafted up the proclamation to free slaves so that they would have to fight. Voila, additional necessary manpower at a critical point in the war.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 7:24 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Black Union soldiers refused their salaries for 18 months to protest being paid lower wages than white soldiers.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 7:26 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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13,000 Union POW's died at Andersonville in less than a year. The camp commander Wirz was the only war criminal who was hanged.
Nether North nor South were prepared to house the number of prisoners the war generated. At least two Yankee prisons rivaled Andersonville in percentage fatalities. These prisons and their commandants were not faced with the lack of resources or food that faced Wirz in the death throes of the Confederacy. The worst that Wirz was guilty of was not trying harder aka neglect.
Grant could be named Wirz's co-conspirator since he abolished the practice of exchanging POWs and caused the South and Wirz to be overwhelmed. Of course if you're the victor not only do you get to write the history, you get to become president. The loser goes tothe gallows, and the Yankee commandants got to go home.
The rest of the story always is the superior lesson than the headlines.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 8:18 pm to Gaspergou202
the confedrate officers were allowed to keep their sidearms and their horses after the war. Enlisted men had to walk home, with no gun with which to fend for their families.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 8:21 pm to youno
General Lee was very happy with the terms.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 8:35 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Lee was damn lucky to get the terms he got from Grant! He should have kisses him on the lips!
The Radical Republicans were more interested in retribution than reunification. And most other Union generals would have hung him. Lee would have accepted that too.
The Radical Republicans were more interested in retribution than reunification. And most other Union generals would have hung him. Lee would have accepted that too.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 8:39 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Virgil Cane is the name an I served on the Danville Train, till Stoneman's cavalry came and tore up the tracks again.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 8:47 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Diversity was an old, wooden ship used in the Civil War.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:07 pm to Gaspergou202
Natchez, ms wealthy population were mostly transplanted n.y. bankers who owned the slave plantations in the ms delta and n. louisiana before and during the war.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:10 pm to Ramblin Wreck
The University of Wisconsin's football stadium is named Camp Randall after an Army training camp that was on the land during the Civil War. Later it was a hospital and POW camp. The state purchased the land from the US Army and deeded it to the University in 1893.
In March 1861, a proposed Constitutional Amendment (The Corwin Amendment) passed both the House and Senate and was ratified by five states (Kentucky, Ohio, Rhode Island, Maryland and Illinois). The text of the amendment read "No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State."
Although it was (and still is) illegal to bury Confederate soldiers in US National Cemeteries, there are two Confederates who died as POWs buried in the national cemetery at Shiloh. There are also multiple mass graves of Confederates still on the battlefield, with one containing 700 or more bodies.
In March 1861, a proposed Constitutional Amendment (The Corwin Amendment) passed both the House and Senate and was ratified by five states (Kentucky, Ohio, Rhode Island, Maryland and Illinois). The text of the amendment read "No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State."
Although it was (and still is) illegal to bury Confederate soldiers in US National Cemeteries, there are two Confederates who died as POWs buried in the national cemetery at Shiloh. There are also multiple mass graves of Confederates still on the battlefield, with one containing 700 or more bodies.
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