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re: Name a little known fact about the Civil War
Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:40 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:40 pm to Jim Rockford
it was also not popular to the conservative large slaveowner. the confederacy was supported by wealthy democrats and po' white trash dirt farmers.
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:48 pm to doubleb
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Port Hudson
Oops!! Yea, the one outside St. Francisville.
Not sure how I messed that up
Posted on 6/12/17 at 4:10 am to Ramblin Wreck
Prostitutes started being called hookers due to Union General Hooker's proclivity for having "ladies of ill repute" in his tent.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 4:17 am to Ramblin Wreck
At the start of the war, there were more millionaires in Mississippi than the entire North.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 4:20 am to WhiskeyPapa
The "atrocities" committed at Andersonville have largely been proven false.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 5:20 am to chickenpotpie
During the hot summer months, especially around the Mississippi Delta, soldiers suffered not only from the humidity and heat but also from the demoralizing and agonizing effects of ticks, chiggers, mosquitoes, and poisonous snake bites. Completely ill-prepared and caught off-guard by these encounters, Union soldiers often described it as "marching through hell".
This post was edited on 6/12/17 at 5:39 am
Posted on 6/12/17 at 6:53 am to Gaspergou202
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Grant could be named Wirz's co-conspirator since he abolished the practice of exchanging POWs and caused the South and Wirz to be overwhelmed. Of course if you're the victor not only do you get to write the history, you get to become president. The loser goes tothe gallows, and the Yankee commandants got to go home
Thats silly. How many Nazi officers did we exchange with Hitler?
Grant wanted to reduce the numbers of soldiers in the South not keep them supplied as many would return to combat and not honor the conditions of parole. Grant knew the North had a much greater supply of men and he intended to use it towards victory. As a poster said earlier neither side was prepared at all for the numbers of prisoners. Both sides committed cruel acts in the handling of captives and both sides had very near numbers in terms of deaths in captivity.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 8:33 am to chickenpotpie
There are 13,000 graves at Andersonville that attest to truth of the abuse of federal prisoners. More than 1,000 a month died. And the prisoners were not allowed to construct above ground shelters. That is an atrocity hard to disprove.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 9:42 am to WhiskeyPapa
An awful place with a vengeful leadership. However, soil testing at Andersonville later showed that Hookworm almost certainly added to the dismal conditions and privations.
There was a narrative for some time that all southern prison camps were like Andersonville. Prisons like Cahaba Prison in Alabama had a much lower death rate and were respectably operated.
There was a narrative for some time that all southern prison camps were like Andersonville. Prisons like Cahaba Prison in Alabama had a much lower death rate and were respectably operated.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 9:45 am to goatmilker
You're referring to Dix Hill I believe. This was a stroke of genius by Grant. But, the exchange of prisoners prior to this point was inconsistent and a little bit absurd for War.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 9:53 am to Kafka
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at least 25,000 blacks served in the Confederate Army
But not as soldiers. mostly as slaves. Confederacy held a ban on black soldiers until the last months of the war. Black soldiers never happened.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 9:59 am to Gaspergou202
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Grant could be named Wirz's co-conspirator since he abolished the practice of exchanging POWs and caused the South and Wirz to be overwhelmed.
Grant ended the exchange because the Confederacy activated soldiers who were on POWs living at home. Because there were too many captured at Vicksburg to imprison, Grant sent them home on house arrest. Jefferson violated the terms of the exchange because he was running out of soldiers.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 10:03 am to inelishaitrust
The death rate for Union soldiers was nearly twice as high in a confederate prison, than if they were in the field. Confederates were less likely to die in prison than in the field.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 10:29 am to inelishaitrust
Confederates named the battles after strategic positions they were defending, while Federals named battles after the geographic landmarks. Bull Run/Manassas is named because the Confederates were protecting the Manassas train depot some 10-15 miles away and the Battlefield was traversed by Bull Run Creek.
Shiloh/Pittsburg Landing is interesting. Shiloh is named so after a church the confederates captured early in the battle and used as a staging point. Pittsburg landing is the name of the place on the Tennessee River where the Union crossed and set up camp because using the TN river as the name would be too general. There'd be like 5 battles of the TN river and none would give any idea of the geography.
Shiloh/Pittsburg Landing is interesting. Shiloh is named so after a church the confederates captured early in the battle and used as a staging point. Pittsburg landing is the name of the place on the Tennessee River where the Union crossed and set up camp because using the TN river as the name would be too general. There'd be like 5 battles of the TN river and none would give any idea of the geography.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 11:11 am to WhiskeyPapa
Over 14,000 Confederate prisoners died at the hell hole called Point Lookout in Maryland, and most do not lie in a nice cemetery like Andersonville.
Over 3,000 CSA deaths occurred at Elmira, New York. The United States commissary-general of prisoners, Col. William Hoffman was vindictive and deliberately allowed poor conditions and starvation at Elmira. He was NOT hung for war crimes.
The commander of Andersonville gave the prisoners all the rations that a dying Confederacy gave him. The Yankee commanders had no such excuses.
The humane treatment of prisoners at that time was to release them to their civilian homes and occupations. After the sides "exchanged" the parolees, they could rejoin the military. Grant rightfully realized that equal exchanges favored the South! Suddenly during the final days of the war when the CSA couldn't feed and supply its own civilians and army, they amassed thousands of unparolable POWs.
Over 3,000 CSA deaths occurred at Elmira, New York. The United States commissary-general of prisoners, Col. William Hoffman was vindictive and deliberately allowed poor conditions and starvation at Elmira. He was NOT hung for war crimes.
The commander of Andersonville gave the prisoners all the rations that a dying Confederacy gave him. The Yankee commanders had no such excuses.
The humane treatment of prisoners at that time was to release them to their civilian homes and occupations. After the sides "exchanged" the parolees, they could rejoin the military. Grant rightfully realized that equal exchanges favored the South! Suddenly during the final days of the war when the CSA couldn't feed and supply its own civilians and army, they amassed thousands of unparolable POWs.
This post was edited on 6/12/17 at 11:12 am
Posted on 6/12/17 at 11:19 am to Ramblin Wreck
The entire wealth created by slave labor was completely destroyed by prosecuting the civil war.
It actually cost 2.3 times as much as the most generous estimate of the wealth created by Slavery.
When modern blacks rant about reparations they fail to consider the above plus the fact that only 1 in 100 whites actually owned a slave or the fact that more whites died to end slavery than there were white slave owners.
It actually cost 2.3 times as much as the most generous estimate of the wealth created by Slavery.
When modern blacks rant about reparations they fail to consider the above plus the fact that only 1 in 100 whites actually owned a slave or the fact that more whites died to end slavery than there were white slave owners.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 12:29 pm to Gaspergou202
quote:My 2nd great-grand uncle is one of the "lucky" 4,000 or so to be known burials in the Confederate cemetery there.
Over 14,000 Confederate prisoners died at the hell hole called Point Lookout in Maryland, and most do not lie in a nice cemetery like Andersonville.
Don't forget the 4,400 (possibly as many as 6,000) Confederate POWs that died at Camp Douglas just outside of Chicago. Most of them suffered from scurvy, due to the post's commander ordering that no vegetables be included in the prisoners' rations. When the remnant's of Hood's Army of Tennessee arrived there in December 1864, the men were ordered to strip and forced to stand outside in the ice and snow.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 12:40 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Because the CSA had no large scale standard issue equipment , historical Confederate memorabilia is almost impossible to sell as it cannot be verified.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 2:10 pm to Porky
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Lincoln stood in their way by wishing to finance Reconstruction with government "greenbacks", money issued by the federal government which had no interest attached.
Lincoln alluded to his biggest enemy being the bankers, not the south. The civil war was agitated in hopes of generating a central bank in America. Wars often require a lot of debt. Lincoln financed the war with greenbacks instead of having to resort to a central bank. Russia prevented the British and French from aligning with the south, at least so openly. Once the war was over and Lincoln won the results were obvious for the central bankers, there would be no central bank in America. Even more of a worry was a potentially powerful nation with a banking system that did not rely on central banking (some draw similarities to Nazi Germany) that could threaten their system across all of Europe. So Lincoln was killed. Booth was in some secret society (I forgot which). With Lincoln out of the way they were able to push a central bank through. Mission accomplished.
That is the rundown I've had.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 4:07 pm to Gaspergou202
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Over 14,000 Confederate prisoners died at the hell hole called Point Lookout in Maryland, and most do not lie in a nice cemetery like Andersonville.
Or not.
Estimates report that over 14,000 prisoners died while imprisoned at Point Lookout but the cemetery is known to hold 3,384 soldiers in a mass grave with no evidence to back up this massive figure. According to history data received from Point Lookout State Park, " Of the 50,000 men held at the Point between 1863 and 1865, nearly 4,000 died. Ironically, however, this death rate of 8 percent was less than half the death rate among soldiers who were in the field with their own armies." As you can see, there seems to be some controversy over the number of deaths at this prison.
The Confederate soldiers' bodies have been moved twice and have found their final resting place in Point Lookout Cemetery. "
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