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re: My problem with the Trump wall: it's solving an imaginary problem
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:19 pm to Powerman
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:19 pm to Powerman
quote:
How about we go with less of a problem than 1.6 million
Does that sound more reasonable to you?
Testicular cancer is "less of a problem" than aids, but you still seek treatment. Date rape is "less of a problem" than gang rape, but you still call the police.
Another dumb argument brought to you by Powerlib
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:19 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Me thinks dude folded.
Nope
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:19 pm to Powerman
quote:Pretzel yourself man. It's fun.
The problem is an imaginary problem in that it is imagined to be a huge crisis when it is in fact not
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:20 pm to Powerman
quote:
How about we go with less of a problem than 1.6 million Does that sound more reasonable to you?
It doesn't matter. Your premise is flawed from the OP.
You are not saying 300K = 'less problem'. You are saying 300K = 'not a problem worthy of a solution.'
Look at the title of your thread. You indict the attempt at a solution of any kind. You call the problem 'imaginary'.
When your premise is that flawed you are going to get 100s of challenges. And you can't respond to all of them so you get challenged on sluffs (ignoring arguments).
You could have avoided all of this by using a better premise when presenting your numbers. Like a thread:
'Since the illegal alien numbers have been going down, maybe a wall is not so urgently needed.'
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:20 pm to ShortyRob
So. To summarize.
P'man admits
1. Current number still a problem.
2. He has no idea if trend is permanent
3. Only ideas he has on cause are non-permanent
Is that about right?
P'man admits
1. Current number still a problem.
2. He has no idea if trend is permanent
3. Only ideas he has on cause are non-permanent
Is that about right?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:20 pm to Powerman
quote:Imaginary!
The problem is an imaginary problem in that it is imagined to be a huge crisis when it is in fact not
quote:
The 50,308 apprehended/inadmissibles in March is a 37 percent increase from the 36,695 counted in February, but a whopping 203 percent increase from March 2017's 16,588.
CBP said the number of family units increased by 49 percent from February to March, and the number of unaccompanied children increased by 41 percent compared to February.
"The traffickers and smugglers know that, if you arrive with a family, under our current legal and court system, you have a much better chance of being released into the United States," Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen told the White House press briefing on Wednesday. "We have seen the smugglers advertise this as an enticement. And we have seen traffickers, unfortunately, fraudulently use children to gain entry into our country." In a conference call with reporters on Wednesday, a senior administration official, speaking on background, noted that in April 2017, the number of apprehended/inadmissibles dropped to a historic low of 15,766.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:21 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Is that about right?
4. Total dumbarse
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:22 pm to Powerman
How stupid.
Democrats would be singing a different tune if all the illegals were white Christian males that vote republican coming into the country....
Democrats would be singing a different tune if all the illegals were white Christian males that vote republican coming into the country....
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:22 pm to Zach
quote:
You are not saying 300K = 'less problem'. You are saying 300K = 'not a problem worthy of a solution.'
Or not a problem worthy of new big government solutions
quote:
Look at the title of your thread. You indict the attempt at a solution of any kind. You call the problem 'imaginary'.
The extent of the problem is certainly imaginary
And you could in fact argue that it's not a problem at all
quote:
You could have avoided all of this by using a better premise when presenting your numbers. Like a thread:
'Since the illegal alien numbers have been going down, maybe a wall is not so urgently needed.'
Anyone with any ability to read through the lines would have inferred that's what I was getting at. Hell, even you figured it out.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:22 pm to Powerman
Every single one of those rebuttals sounded like it came straight from a crooked talking politicians mouth.. holy hell dude you said a whole lot without saying shite because you know your initial idea was fricking stupid...
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:23 pm to Powerman
Circular stupidity from the Powertool. 
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:23 pm to SDVTiger
At this point, I'm not even sure what P'man wants to go on about.
He's admitted it's a problem.
He's admitted the trend isn't certain and could turn around.
The only thing he's got now is, "meh, the problem isn't big enough" which may well deserve discussion but has basically nothing to do with his OP.
He's admitted it's a problem.
He's admitted the trend isn't certain and could turn around.
The only thing he's got now is, "meh, the problem isn't big enough" which may well deserve discussion but has basically nothing to do with his OP.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:24 pm to ShortyRob
Its funny to witness
Then jdocs thread confirmed how much of a fail this thread has been
Then jdocs thread confirmed how much of a fail this thread has been
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:24 pm to Powerman
quote:
big government solutions
Holy hell. Here you go again.
Big government should be about border security. That's one of the few jobs it should perform.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:24 pm to crazyatthecamp
quote:
How stupid.
Democrats would be singing a different tune if all the illegals were white Christian males that vote republican coming into the country....
According to PowerLib, 1.5 million or so new rock-ribbed conservatives being imported into your country every election cycle is "not a big deal".
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:25 pm to Powerman
quote:
Or not a problem worthy of new big government solutions
So, not an imaginary problem......thanks
quote:Only if you assume no one knows it's lower now.
The extent of the problem is certainly imaginary
quote:Agreed.
And you could in fact argue that it's not a problem at all
Sure would have been nice if you'd engaged the people who wanted to have that discussion over the course of the last 20 pages.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:25 pm to Powerman
You are wrong.
We have well over 300k illegal immigrates crossing our border ever year
Hell we average over 10k arrests each month
We turn away around 1000 a day at check points
We have well over 300k illegal immigrates crossing our border ever year
Hell we average over 10k arrests each month
We turn away around 1000 a day at check points
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:25 pm to ShortyRob
The only thing he knows is that trump came up with the wall, therefore it is stupid and unnecessary
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:25 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
He's admitted it's a problem.
Not so much
I know other people think it's a problem
I don't actually think it's a problem
But from the point of view from someone who thinks it's a problem it's certainly much less of a problem now than it was previously
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:26 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:The sum total of the Democrat position on immigration is this. 100%
According to PowerLib, 1.5 million or so new rock-ribbed conservatives being imported into your country every election cycle is "not a big deal".
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