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re: My problem with the Trump wall: it's solving an imaginary problem
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:11 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:11 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I still want to know why 310K+ is okay and what he suggests we do about those that overstay. I and many posters have already given solutions to both problems.
P'man is 18 pages in.
Trust me when I tell you....he has zero intention of actually supporting his declarations. He hasn't avoided doing so for 18 pages for nuttin
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Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:11 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Its not OK. But as God awful as the Obama economy was, you'd be justified to assume 300K to be a minimum. It is still too damn high.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:11 pm to ShortyRob
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Trust me when I tell you....he has zero intention of actually supporting his declarations. He hasn't avoided doing so for 18 pages for nuttin
What exactly do you think I'm avoiding?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:12 pm to Powerman
Powerman, hi.... neutral observer here, long time reader, first time poster:
Why is 300’000+ illegal immigrants a year considered ‘not a problem’?
I’ll hang up and read
Why is 300’000+ illegal immigrants a year considered ‘not a problem’?
I’ll hang up and read
This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:12 pm to Powerman
quote:1/10 Powerchoad.
What exactly do you think I'm avoiding?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:12 pm to Powerman
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Or perhaps you're overestimating the power of your arguments and the importance of your questions.
This is almost like stealin from a 1 year old at this point
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:12 pm to Mr. Hangover
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Why is 300’000+ illegal immigrants a year considered ‘not a problem’?
How about we go with less of a problem than 1.6 million
Does that sound more reasonable to you?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:13 pm to Powerman
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What exactly do you think I'm avoiding?
1. Why is 310K ok? Explain beyond quoting population.
2. What's driving the trend?
3. If you can't answer 2, how do you know the "trend" isn't merely a corollary to something else?
4. Absent knowing 2 or 3, do you think trends must continue?
5. If a trend stops and reverses course over the course of a year, how does one know if the new trend will continue or if the longer term trend will take back over?
6. Bonus Question. If, instead of the trend continuing, we simply leveled off at the current number, does that count as "problem solved"? If so, why?
I'm sure there are others you've ducked. But, we can start there.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:13 pm to Powerman
quote:
Why is 300’000+ illegal immigrants a year considered ‘not a problem’?
How about we go with less of a problem than 1.6 million
Does that sound more reasonable to you?
fricking brilliant in it's stupidity.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:13 pm to Powerman
quote:
How about we go with less of a problem than 1.6 million
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:13 pm to Powerman
So it’s still a problem then. Cool. Glad we agree.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:13 pm to Powerman
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How about we go with less of a problem than 1.6 million Does that sound more reasonable to you?
So, a problem still..........thanks.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:14 pm to Powerman
Well, according to you in the first post:
So no.. now can you please just answer my question instead of asking me a question back?
quote:
It's a problem that largely no longer exists.
So no.. now can you please just answer my question instead of asking me a question back?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:14 pm to Powerman
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It's the trend that is important. The numbers are already trending downward without a wall and have been doing so for over a decade
So if that logic is truly viable why don't left-wingers apply it when asking for more gun-control laws?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:15 pm to Powerman
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How about we go with less of a problem than 1.6 million
quote:
an imaginary problem
19 fricking pages to get to this.
This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:16 pm to ShortyRob
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1. Why is 310K ok? Explain beyond quoting population.
So looking at things on a % basis is meaningless?
quote:
2. What's driving the trend?
Already answered
quote:
3. If you can't answer 2, how do you know the "trend" isn't merely a corollary to something else?
4. Absent knowing 2 or 3, do you think trends must continue?
Already addressed
quote:
5. If a trend stops and reverses course over the course of a year, how does one know if the new trend will continue or if the longer term trend will take back over?
You would need to look further into the metrics that you believe correlate to the trends obviously
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6. Bonus Question. If, instead of the trend continuing, we simply leveled off at the current number, does that count as "problem solved"? If so, why?
I'm sure there are others you've ducked. But, we can start there.
I suppose that depends on what you're willing to accept in terms of illegal immigration
If it stayed flat at 310K I would say that we don't have a major problem to worry about.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:17 pm to Powerman
quote:Imaginary.
If it stayed flat at 310K I would say that we don't have a major problem to worry about.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:18 pm to Powerman
quote:Explain why you think it means there's no problem.
So looking at things on a % basis is meaningless?
quote:False. You supplied "could" things. "Could" isn't permanent and therefore, "could" can reverse. Therefore, "but muh trend" fails.
Already answered
quote:
Already addressed
Link
quote:You're the one who made the declaration of fact man.
You would need to look further into the metrics that you believe correlate to the trends obviously
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I suppose that depends on what you're willing to accept in terms of illegal immigration If it stayed flat at 310K I would say that we don't have a major problem to worry about.
See question 1
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:18 pm to ShortyRob
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19 fricking pages to get to this.
The problem is an imaginary problem in that it is imagined to be a huge crisis when it is in fact not
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:19 pm to Jbird
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Jbird
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Imaginary
It shifted from "imaginary" to not a "major" problem.
Me thinks dude folded.
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